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Old 07-05-2007, 05:06 PM
mrcunningham mrcunningham is offline
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Default live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

7 handed mid-weekday; generally 3 to the flop, generally passive pre and post flop

Someone unmemorable limps in MP, 50ish yo Filipino gentleman who seems to have been playing fairly straightforward in 1 hour of play completes in the sb, and I check 62o in the bb
Flop: 278
checks thru
Turn: 6
sb bets; I raise, MP folds; sb calls
River: 8 (no possible flushes)
sb checks; I???
Would you check, bet/fold, bet/call, and why?
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

check. after the check through the sb might have bet any pair, or unimproved high cards. his check here shows some weakness, but the chances he holds pocket nines, a pair of 7s, or a bigger 6 make the value bet here a bit thin. The most likely hand in my opinion that he would play like this is 98s or something similar. Even a 56 is chopping with you here though. Check.
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Old 07-05-2007, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

Easy check after the counterfeiting.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

check, You are not folding out hands you beat (maaaaybe a split), and people who beat you will call.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

Well, I can certainly see checking. It's the safest course. And I'd probably check, because we'd really hate getting c/r'd here.

But why would we bet? Because it's also possible he had something like 44 and was hanging in there on the turn to hit his gutter. He bet the turn and then slowed down on the river when the 8 pairs the board. If you have any kind of a read that he folds on the river for 1 bet then give it a whirl. In fact, betting to get that specific information might not be horrible if you're planning on staying at the table a while.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

So I realize that I am an idiot poster, and gave away my action in the subject line.

Anyway, I recognized that I was counterfeited and with the low board thought I'd bet.

I bet and was raised, now what?
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

Guy who plays str8 forward must have you here I'm afraid.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

yikes.. just as we feared. If he's playing ABC he probably hit trip 8s on the river and figured you'd bet since you raised last round. I'd call only if I felt strongly that I needed to be sure he wasn't making a play.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

if you can't fold to a raise, don't bet the river.
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Old 07-05-2007, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: live 6/12- 2 pair counterfeited and raised on the river

Dont'bet: better hands don't fold
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