massive downswing - please help detect leaks

Fingerswinger · #1 07-05-2007, 03:34 PM

this is my almost-lifetime-graph (there was some NL25 and NL50 while learning the real basics):

the first downswing at ~50,000 would have been half as deep if i hadn't tilted seriously. but on this recent downswing i feel like i controlled myself very well.

i'm asking myself how likely it is for a winning player to have such a downswing. i somewhat got used to having a lot more winning days than losing days (playing 2,000 hands a day). but now i have been losing massively for more than a week. i don't trust my play anymore.

it would be nice if you could comment on some of the following hands. can you see big leaks?
thanks in advance.

here we go...

1.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $947.70
Hero: $715.80
Button: $1090.10
SB: $410.50
BB: $207

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $14, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($56, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $38, Button calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($132, 2 players)
Hero bets $90, Button calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($312, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $573.8, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: $1459.6

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2.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $669.10
CO: $301
Button: $972.30
Hero: $480.50
BB: $829.34

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Button raises to $14, Hero raises to $50, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($104, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, Button raises all-in $922.3, Hero calls all-in $360.5.
Uncalled bets: $491.8 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $965

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3.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $604.70
Hero: $407.50
CO: $877.18
Button: $565.80
SB: $414
BB: $222.83

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $14, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($34, 2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($84, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, CO raises to $100, Hero raises to $200, CO calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($484, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $170, Hero calls all-in $168.5.
Uncalled bets: $1.5 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $821

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4.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $777.95
Hero (BB): $406.00
UTG: $1,251.85
MP: $391.40
CO: $1,178.90
BTN: $406.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, BTN raises to $14.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $50.00, BTN calls $36.00

Flop: ($102) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $75.00, BTN raises all-in to $356.30, Hero calls all-in for $281.00
Uncalled bet of $0.30 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $814.00 ($3 Rake)

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5.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $450
UTG+1: $922.50
CO: $394
Button: $725
Hero: $400
BB: $449.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $18, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($54, 3 players)
Hero bets $30, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($114, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, BB raises to $152, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($418, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB is all-in $249.5, Hero calls all-in $200.
Uncalled bets: $49.5 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $818

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6.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1356.51
UTG+1: $1200.14
Hero: $421.70
Button: $363.20
SB: $402
BB: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $8, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, BB raises to $50, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
BB bets $44, Hero raises all-in $371.7, BB calls all-in $306.
Uncalled bets: $21.7 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $810

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7.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $504.20
UTG+1: $396.20
CO: $695.90
Button: $346.50
SB: $422.90
Hero: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $14, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $55, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($126, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, UTG+1 raises all-in $341.2, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $808.4

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8.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $396.00
BB: $519.20
UTG: $401.60
CO: $105.85
BTN: $72.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG raises to $14.00, CO calls $14.00, BTN folds, Hero raises to $55.00, BB folds, UTG calls $41.00, CO folds

Flop: ($128) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $66.00, Hero raises all-in to $341.00, UTG calls $275.00

Pot Size: $810.00 ($3 Rake)

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9.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $473.10
CO: $379.80
Button: $497.30
Hero: $429.50
BB: $1370.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO raises to $12, Button calls, Hero raises to $50, BB folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($154, 3 players)
Hero bets $90, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($334, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $289.5, CO calls all-in $239.8.
Uncalled bets: $49.7 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $813.6

berserk · #2 07-05-2007, 03:37 PM

not unheard of to lose for 18000 hands even if you are a winning player.

but just to comment on the first hand, bet bigger flop turn if you want to shove that river so the riv shove isnt a big overbet

aislephive · #3 07-05-2007, 03:40 PM

Hand 3 is bad, shove or c/f river IMO.

Hand 5 I think I'd find a fold somewhere, probably the river.

Hand 9 turn looks pretty spewy I think, you're shoving with basically no FE.

Rest look more or less fine to me.

Kala1928 · #4 07-05-2007, 04:20 PM

I said to myself "if this is an under 20 buyin ds im not gonna bother to reply" but I still did.

Teh1337zor · #5 07-05-2007, 04:40 PM

Hand 1: as said earlier bet bigger on each street
Hand 2: fine
Hand 3: just shove turn
Hand 4: fine
Hand 5: bet more on flop, tough spot on the turn but I'd prob muck because his line=set so often (I might be wrong here fwiw)
Hand 6: He prob has an overpair with a diamond here, wp
Hand 7: Very player dependent hand, I fold against a lot of players
Hand 8: nh
Hand 9: bet more on flop, and Im pretty confused on what your turn play should be maybe somebody else will give some input on that hand

Fingerswinger · #6 07-05-2007, 05:26 PM

thanks for the comments everybody!
it helps a lot to hear other peoples thoughts on these.

i agree with pretty much everything you said.

aislephive:
hand number 3 i'm not sure if you mean shoving on the turn or river. i think shoving on the turn is definitively the right play.

Teh1337zor:
hand number 9: my logic on the turn was like "nice, my draw just improved, i bet it again". pretty stupid i realize, because it doesn't change much and also there is only one card to come. this is definitively a leak i have to fix.
probably check/fold is the better option.

catcher193 · #7 07-05-2007, 05:32 PM

they all seem fine against certain people

tuuufts · #8 07-05-2007, 05:54 PM

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they all seem fine against certain people

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yeah its pretty hard to evaluate these in a vacuum IMO

Reef · #9 07-05-2007, 06:03 PM

18k hands ... yawn

Fingerswinger · #10 07-05-2007, 06:34 PM

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18k hands ... yawn

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lol

seriously, i find it hard to take if it's 18k hands of constantly losing coinflips and getting sucked out. i didn't post typical suckout hands above because i know this is just bad luck, but stuff like this hand happened over and over again the last couple days:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $644.30
BB: $400.00
UTG: $723.85
Hero (CO): $561.60
BTN: $1,229.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $14.00, BTN folds, SB raises to $50.00, BB folds, Hero calls $36.00

Flop: ($104) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets $80.00, Hero calls $80.00

Turn: ($264) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets all-in for $514.30, Hero calls all-in for $431.60
Uncalled bet of $82.70 returned to SB
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

River: ($1127.20) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $1,127.20 ($3 Rake)

SB had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and WON (+$562.60)
Hero had 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Nines) and LOST (-$561.60)