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Old 07-04-2007, 01:10 PM
Fingerswinger Fingerswinger is offline
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Default bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

villain is 20/17/1.7 (200 hands),
regular who multitables NL400 and NL600 but there is no special history/reads.


Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $183.62
UTG+1: $274.70
Hero: $684.62
Button: $313.55
SB: $451.90
BB: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $120</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $352</font>, Hero?


the problem is, most of his range has me crushed (except for OESDs and TPTK).
so my questions are:

1. how to best avoid this ugly spot i'm in now?
2. once in this ugly spot - call or fold?
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:14 PM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

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1. how to best avoid this ugly spot i'm in now?

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Call the flop lead.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:20 PM
Fingerswinger Fingerswinger is offline
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

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Call the flop lead.

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ok, suppose i call and the turn doesn't improve my hand but also doesn't complete possible straights (eg. 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). villain bets $75

call again?
and on the river?

how big does villain need to bet so we can let it go?
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:25 PM
dd323 dd323 is offline
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

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Call the flop lead.

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ok, suppose i call and the turn doesn't improve my hand but also doesn't complete possible straights (eg. 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). villain bets $75

call again?
and on the river?

how big does villain need to bet so we can let it go?

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Then you have a similar decision that you have on the flop, except you probably have a better idea if villian is able to fire 3 barrels with a missed draw or not, and have timing tells and some other information. Also, he gives up alot if you are ahead. On the flop if he has top pair and an open ender, you are basically a coin flip, and most of the time he has you crushed. On this board, I think its pretty bad to raise the flop unless you have a read such that you would be willing to call a shove.

In this case I think the flop is a fold.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:30 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

They have it right. Calling the flop is fine, not a spot to play a huge pot on the flop. Obvious fold once he shoves $350+.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

Yeah I really hate raising the flop. Call and re-eval on the turn.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Fingerswinger Fingerswinger is offline
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Default Re: bottom two on highly connected board (NL400)

ok, ok, i get it.

will play it better next time - thanks everybody.
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