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Old 07-04-2007, 04:53 AM
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Default EZ shove in RR pot?

I've been 3betting in the few orbits we've played.
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CO ($328.30)
Button ($475.10)
SB ($479.85)
Hero ($224.10)
UTG ($199.65)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $32</font>, CO calls $24, Button calls $24, SB calls $24.

Flop: ($128) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $70</font>, Button folds, SB folds, Hero ???
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

He's put in half your stack. He has a pair or a draw and he isn't folding, and you lack coverage, so fold.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

Raise more pf ~$42. As played, i doubt he's folding his QQ or JJ so just give it up.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:27 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

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He's put in half your stack. He has a pair or a draw and he isn't folding

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Some draws we beat, and I'll flip with the bigger draws.

Obv his hand is almost always a medium pair. What is the most convincing line? Am I just leveling myself into thinking a c-bet 4-way isn't scary enough.

Does a c/r not make sense for QQ+ when 4 people take a flop and the board is very non threatening? I think i could def play kk/aa that way. Am I dreaming?

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and you lack coverage, so fold.

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what do you mean by coverage?
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

He has a draw here hardly ever. Yes you probably have 6 outs twice but he's hardly ever folding for the odds he's getting so just let it go.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:04 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

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what do you mean by coverage?

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Effective pot odds. You need ~3:1 against a mid pair, and you aren't close. Sometimes he has a draw, but usually he won't, and he's rarely folding. I doubt you have the equity vs his range to push here.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

so u are all saying c/f &gt; b/c &gt; c/r
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:42 AM
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so u are all saying c/f &gt; b/c &gt; c/r

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yup
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: EZ shove in RR pot?

Fold, the obvious is stated above, you're not folding out anything here. $40 preflop is better.
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