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Old 07-04-2007, 03:59 AM
BrassMonkey BrassMonkey is offline
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Default Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

I've seen BB raise a ton of flops to get to showdown quicker, but that doesn't seem to be what he's doing here. UTG open limps all kinds of garbage, pretty much every hand. I have a humongous draw here, but it may be no good, even if I connect. It seemed pretty close, but what do you think about this call?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (13.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:27 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

I fold the turn. You get 11.5:2 or 5.8:1 if BB calls and 13.5:3 or 4.5:1 if he caps. If BB caps he has a boat and you are dead. If BB calls UTG has a boat with positive probability.

IMO you risk putting in a lot of big bets drawing dead too often here.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:13 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

I would call the first bet on the turn, but when it comes back around with two more bets and I'm not even closing the action it must be a fold. We have two outs to the nuts but the price is too high.
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

how about a flop raise? we have decent equity and it might buy us a free card.
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:48 AM
YanMTL YanMTL is offline
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

raise the flop, it's not even close, you're a favorite agaisnt almost any hand except an 8 and even agaisnt that, you're not far behind.

As played, i fold the turn on the 3bet. A boat is probably there.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

I would have raised that flop too!

I think calling the turn isn't that bad; UTG has probably an 8 and BB hits that Q? We have a lot of outs against a lone 8 and even more against a Q. That river is ofcourse one of the worst cards in the deck that could fall.

@ Oink: we aren't drawing dead vs a boat, we have a staight flushdraw.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: Straight flush draw, paired board, facing turn double bet, decent pot

not raising this flop is terrible. you have the button and likely more equity than anyone else on that board.

that being said i would fold the turn.
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