$2 sat to $10 sunday tourney - KK with 30 people before money

Ontario_Tory · #1 07-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Playing these for some sh*ts & giggles, and to work on my Sat strategy.

77 runners left, top 47 get seats. Average stack ~5k, I have ~7k.

This is NOT a turbo. Blinds are going up slowly.

KK an easy fold based on big stack's raise? Or should I be playing it?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t8290)
Hero (t7040)
Button (t7540)
SB (t1675)
BB (t9885)
UTG (t12380)
UTG+1 (t11159)
MP1 (t2470)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t625, Hero ???

mflip · #2 07-03-2007, 09:08 PM

I'd say you can fold in. These usually end at like 200/400/50, maybe 300/600/50.

Ontario_Tory · #3 07-03-2007, 09:36 PM

OK - how about this one. Same tourney, right on the bubble. 49 people left, 46 seats, 47th place gets $10

I'm BB - blinds are 400/800/50

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t4215)
Hero (t1915)
UTG (t6165)
UTG+1 (t15138)
MP1 (t10160)
MP2 (t6954)
CO (t4658)
Button (t22759)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t2138, Hero???

mflip · #4 07-03-2007, 09:39 PM

Use your entire timebank?

Ontario_Tory · #5 07-03-2007, 09:44 PM

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LOL - no, it was H4H by this point.

I folded all the way into the seat, but man it was close. Much closer than I thought it would be...

I still think the KK hand was a fold. If it was a few orbits later (the same guy was raising into me every time) it would have been a push.

These are kindof interesting tourneys - unlike the WSOP ones, these are not turbos... I like the lack-of-crap-shoot aspect.

woohoo88 · #6 07-03-2007, 11:58 PM

I'm curious on the first one what the $ev breakdown would be here. Does anyone have an ICM calc that can handle such a large remaining field?

Second looks like a clear fold (guessing there were at least a few shorter stacks on other tables).

I'm definitly going to have to check these out to beef up on my sat game as well. Looks like a good format (and probably very soft).

Ontario_Tory · #7 07-04-2007, 09:45 AM

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I'm curious on the first one what the $ev breakdown would be here. Does anyone have an ICM calc that can handle such a large remaining field?

Second looks like a clear fold (guessing there were at least a few shorter stacks on other tables).

I'm definitly going to have to check these out to beef up on my sat game as well. Looks like a good format (and probably very soft).

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It wasn't so clear for me...

I had 1915 to start, less 50 for ante, less 800 for BB. So I was left with 1062 going into the SB. Next hand, assuming a fold, would leave me with 612 chips, with the antes going up to 75.

I was in last place in the tourney at that point, and would have been forced all in by the antes before the blinds hit me next. (well - WHEN the blinds hit me next).

Looking at the other tables, there were some shortish stacks that were going to be hit with the blinds, but none of them were going to be forced in.

I gambled that these guys would be clueless about sats and gamble when they didn't need to. They did, I snuck in...

JammyDodga · #8 07-04-2007, 09:58 AM

I'm not quite getting this, how can it be the right thing to do to fold KK with 30 people left to the bubble? Against half decent opponants there's a fair bit of play left here id say.

With the second one and based on your description of the other short stacks I would have to call. Assuming a certain level of cluelessness is one thing but gambling on none of the others being unable to do very simple maths (ie, subtraction) is a big risk I'd say...

Mingdu · #9 07-04-2007, 10:13 AM

If folding KK is correct with 30 people still to out then I really have no clue about sats. (True ... I really have no idea)

Pretty obv. I shouldn't play these things

mflip · #10 07-04-2007, 10:27 AM

Well if you win that hand you can clearly fold in. I guess we should assume pretty retarded villains but you probably aren't much more than 70% against his range. If you lose you are out so basically to fold here we need to believe that there is a greater than 70% that we can just fold into a seat or else pick up a few chips against shorter stacks that can't bust us and should be folding to us. Obv i didn't do any hard math for this but I think I got the jist of it.