KK gets 4 bet - nasty spot - 150bb's deep

[cs3]

<font color="blue"> villain is tightish, but has been pretty passive PF so far. he's runnning 25/7 over several hundered hands this session. he hasnt 4bet yet and i dont recall him ever 3betting for that matter. not very good at bet sizing/pot comtrol etc, but has a clue and has showndown only solid hands so far - not the bluffy type.

i had been playing tighter than i normally do, but had still been 3 betting quite a bit - maybe 19/17ish</font>


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $69.05
Hero (BB): $149.35
UTG: $128.30
MP: $160.75
CO: $100.00
BTN: $141.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.50</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $25.00</font>, Hero calls $11.00

<font color="blue"> Not sure what the best line is here. Pushing and calling both look redic strong. I thouhgt it would be pretty easy for almost anyone to get away from QQ/JJ or AK (and i have a hard time believing this guy would actually 4bet AK anyway) if i pushed, so i called.

is there any merit to making it like $55? do we have to call a push if we 5 bet? </font>

Flop: ($50.50) J Q 9 (2 Players)
<font color="blue"> pretty much the shittiest flop imaginable. what now? </font>

[gimmetheloot]

nah best flop for u.

c/r AI and watch his AA get turbo mucked.

or alternately bet 30 and then shove the turn on any, any, any card but an A.

He has AA and I dont see how he could call you down.

[whorasaurus]

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nah best flop for u.

c/r AI and watch his AA get turbo mucked.

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wow i love this line

[cs3]

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nah best flop for u.

c/r AI and watch his AA get turbo mucked.

or alternately bet 30 and then shove the turn on any, any, any card but an A.

He has AA and I dont see how he could call you down.

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this was actually my first thought... but if he bets, half his stack is in the middle. is he really folding there? (we'll talk more about this later)

and if i lead i think any hand he has is raising me on the flop. (aside from AK but i think AK is a pretty small part of his range). i dunno... trying to push bad players off AA in a 4bet pot seems pretty spewy. if someone on here posted a hand where they 4 bet with AA, wouldnt everyone be saying "get it in on the flop or turn. DONT FOLD!"?

[freedom18]

given how u played it preflop i dont mind a fold here unless u like variance cuz its super close you shouldnt be trying to get AA to fold btw. We usually hope for these boards to stack AA not make AA fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[jordiepop]

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nah best flop for u.

c/r AI and watch his AA get turbo mucked.

or alternately bet 30 and then shove the turn on any, any, any card but an A.

He has AA and I dont see how he could call you down.

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obv u know what u talking about, but this seems so out there... and making these type of plays at 100nl seems a bit to fancy.

[Ap0calypse]

The crai sounds good in theory, but it looks more like a combo draw or AK diamonds then a set.

[cs3]

is anyone 5-betting PF? how big?

[barryc83]

c/f flop. lol @ getting anyone to fold AA.

[gimmetheloot]

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The crai sounds good in theory, but it looks more like a combo draw or AK diamonds then a set.

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o rly? how u gonna play JJ here? c/c?

FWIW, I doubt he pots the flop here a ton.
if he does, then just fold...but if he bets like 30, you should be able to move him off AA pretty easy.

I understand people saying dont 4bet and then fold AA, but im sure if we showed a competent villain c/r us here after we bet 30 the consensus would be to snap fold.

I sure would.