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Old 06-30-2007, 05:28 PM
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In heads up play can u get away with drawing to a gutshot straight draws etc stuff that you wouldnt normally with 6-10 people at the table?
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Old 06-30-2007, 05:30 PM
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In heads up play can u get away with drawing to a gutshot straight draws etc stuff that you wouldnt normally with 6-10 people at the table?

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It's the other way around...drawing is more +EV the more people in the pot + the more fold equity.
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:38 PM
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In heads up play can u get away with drawing to a gutshot straight draws etc stuff that you wouldnt normally with 6-10 people at the table?

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It's the other way around...drawing is more +EV the more people in the pot + the more fold equity.

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It seems to me you have more fold equity heads-up, and bluffs and semibluffs are more likely to succeed. This compensates for the decreased odds you get to draw.

In addition, you have more outs on average heads-up. Making a pair smaller than top pair will often be enough to win. Also, having some showdown equity with as little as A-high sometimes allows you to continue in a heads-up hand, but is worth a lot less in a pot that started multiway.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:42 PM
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But if you net that all out, you're still really saying that heads-up is not really a drawing game. It's about playing small pairs for value (or playing your position). You may end up having a gutshot, but if you hit it, it's likely that you had other things that made your hand playable to begin with. For example, a gutshot with 2 overcards is very playable.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:20 AM
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Just to resonate and give you a few stats, the pot has to have 10.5 times the amount that you have to call in order for gut-shot draws to be profitable in the long run, which is what you should be worried about. This is 10.5 - 1 pot odds.

Heads Up, your opponent is a lot less likely to have good cards, so it gets a little tricky. If the MAIN reason you're in a hand is that drawing to a gut-shot, you're wrong. If you're in a hand and you have the KJ with a T, 3, 9 board, then you're in the hand for the high card King. The point is...there should be other reasons also. Take care.

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Old 07-01-2007, 11:46 AM
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Heads up what? The game makes a pretty significant difference in this discussion.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:16 PM
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The two things to consider are that your implied odds may be high and your ability to steal a pot on missed draws is also higher.

The reason for this is that when heads up, villain is into the pot with a much wider range than a normal full table. So he has a very good chance of having high card as his hand and will fold to aggression a lot of the time.
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