NL50: Five Post-Flop Decisions.

SlightlyMad · #1 06-26-2007, 03:28 AM

I'm on a big downswing at NL$50 while chasing bonuses at Full Tilt and PokerStars, and I need some help with some post-flop play on some full ring hands.

In the past, I haven't really posted a lot of hands on 2+2, since most of the hands/hand analysis that I've read over the last two years in SSNL, MSNL and here seems relatively standard to me. However, I'm clearly f***ing something up ... so let's give the posting of hands a shot so that you can tell me I should play at your tables.

As it stands, I'm contemplating going back to NL$25, where I won many buyins without trying ... just to regain my confidence. The ego is bruised, but most of the money lost was profits from bonus chasing, so it's not really impacting my bankroll yet.

Might as well start with the first set of hands.

Hand 1: I know I played this passively. UTG+1 had me running a little scared because of his stack, but not his stats (54/6/1.4) ... but should I have been more aggressive on the flop or turn to suss him out? Do I have to call the river min-raise?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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UTG+1 ($211.40)
MP1 ($74.10)
MP2 ($50.50)
MP3 ($49.25)
CO ($50)
Button ($67.30)
SB ($49.95)
BB ($56.90)
Hero ($46.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 4 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($4) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50.

River: ($8.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, UTG+1 raises to $8, BB folds, Hero calls $4.

Hand 2: Anything wrong with this one? BB saw a LOT of flops, but I only had 10 hands on him (60% PFR)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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SB ($73.65)
BB ($11.25)
UTG ($12.95)
MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($59)
CO ($46.60)
Hero ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $9.75 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $9.75.

Hand 3: Virtually no read on SB. Played 6 hands before this. Should I have made the flop raise at all? And I'm pretty much committed to calling after $4, right?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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MP2 ($122.55)
MP3 ($51.55)
CO ($20)
Button ($9.50)
SB ($11.70)
BB ($73.65)
UTG ($36.95)
UTG+1 ($55.70)
Hero ($47.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, SB calls $2, 1 fold.

Flop: ($5) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $9.45 (All-In), Hero calls $5.45.

Hand 4: SB is 33/11/2. Should I be check/folding the turn when the flush hits? I did have the Jack, but it feels like I've screwed up this line; I'm not sure he'd call with just the Ace of hearts and an off-suit 7 for example. Better hands call, and worse hands fold ... I'm not proud of this one.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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UTG+1 ($40.70)
MP1 ($14.85)
Hero ($64.55)
MP3 ($127.45)
CO ($16)
Button ($67.55)
SB ($13)
BB ($43.30)
UTG ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.25, SB calls $8.25 (All-In).

Hand 5: Villain is on the button and 42/12/1.5. Am I just spewing chips? Should I fold as played, or call? Or should I have led out for $16 on the river, and crossed my fingers? Did I make a mistake by firing at this on the turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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MP3 ($48.40)
CO ($43.50)
Button ($58.75)
SB ($27.60)
BB ($45.90)
UTG ($60)
UTG+1 ($32.70)
MP1 ($50)
Hero ($49.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($6.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, CO folds, Button calls $4, UTG folds.

Turn: ($14.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

River: ($30.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $29, Hero ???

Eggpie · #2 06-26-2007, 07:16 AM

It is probably best posting one at a time, as you would get more feedback that way. Posting 5 takes too long to respond in depth.

But.....

hand1: I don't like limping AQo UTG here. I prefer a raise, but i have also been known to fold depending on what sort of table i am on.

This flop is a good one for you. you don;t expect anyone to have AK here, so you are either ahead of all 1 pair hands and behind the rest. I would raise here to thin the field and to find out where you are

One you have limped thne called the flop, i like the way you have played the rest of the hand. If he has you beat, tough luck. But a raise on the flop would hopefully uncover that. If you raise on the flop and get 1/2 callers i would prob check call a smallish turn bet.

hand 2: he's a shorty, you have 2 pair. This is an easy call, even if he is a nit. He could easily have AQ or something here. If he is bad he could have J10o, Q10, A2 etc...

Hand 3: I play this the same. i'm not checking behind on this flop, and yes you have to call once you have raised. Sorry he out flopped you

Hnad 4: I hate situations like this. If you plan to call a check raise on the flop, one thought is to bet more on the flop to make your turn descision easier. If you raise to $4 on the flop, and it goes the same, you are now betting $7 into a $16 pot, making it an easier descision for you

I probably play it the same way though.

Hand 5: I check the turn here, or at least bet more. Any draw that called you on the flop, will prob call you again on the turn as you have bet $8 into $14.75, and he's gettting almost 3:1. Checking the turn gives you some pot control, and since you are OOP i wouldn't swell the pot.

I fold the river as played. Sure he will be bluffing you sometimes here, but all you have is 2nd pairTK, he could be betting a lot of hands here for value.
A harder desision would be if the river was 2C or something, and he bet the same. Now there are a lot less made hands that hes beating you with now, but with the Kd there are just too many.

Thrahl · #3 06-26-2007, 08:12 AM

1. Raise PF, rest is standard. If villain was less of a donk you could maybe fold to the miniraise, but not here.

2. fold PF, you shouldnt be calling raises with weak aces. even soooted weak aces. As played, no choice but to get it in.

3. This is uber standard.

4. Vs a shortie not much you can do here, since if you check your calling a shove anyway.

5. Assuming you folded the river you played this hand fine.

subzero · #4 06-26-2007, 08:58 AM

Hand 1: If I'm playing, I'm raising this preflop. The hand probably plays differently after that. I feel like a raise on the flop or turn is needed. As played, I think I'm calling the river raise.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. As played, call the flop.

Hand 3: Standard.

Hand 4: Looks fine. It's all going in on the turn or river no matter what you do.

Hand 5: Fold preflop. As played, fold the river.

IanB000 · #5 06-26-2007, 10:22 AM

1: Raise PF, as played you should raise the flop to get some idea where you are at since you didn't raise PF.

2: 60% PFR and a short stack? I'm 3 betting him PF to 4.50 with intentions of calling his allin.

3: correct

4: correct

5: Correct as played, fold the river.

KurtSF · #6 06-26-2007, 10:44 AM

grunched

Hand 1: Raise it preflop.

Hand 2: Fold it preflop.

Hand 3: Fine.

Hand 4: Fine.

Hand 5: You can fold now.

SlightlyMad · #7 06-26-2007, 11:45 AM

Thanks, guys! (I'll try to post the remainder of the hands I want to ask about in their own threads, but I didn't want to spam the forum with five threads last night when I was on tilt.)

Most of the downswing that I've been on has been *after* I realized that my hand selection preflop wasn't really being affected by position. For example, I've been playing too many weak aces (a lot weaker than these hands!) up front and losing a fair bit more than just folding them. (For example, my VPIP range from the last 90K hands from UTG was 16 and on the button was 18!) Most of these hands yesterday were because I was getting frustrated with the lack of action I was getting on my good pairs. In my downswing, I think I've only won a $40 pot once in the last 3000 hands ... which is clearly skewing my decisions.

(1) I've been trying to tighten up the aces I play UTG, and I would've raised if this was suited or AK ... but I felt like I needed to include some aces with the weak pocket pairs that I want to suck into a set with on passive tables such as this one. Anyway, Villain had A7 ... and I agree with you guys, I should've lost less by finding out where I was PF and hitting the flop.

(2) I was frustrated, and I know I should be folding this. I don't have my database handy, but I think the CO was a huge donk, and this tainted my judgment here. I liked the flop, and I did get it all-in with the best of it (BB had J9).

(3) The flop looks *really* scary for the sort of crap that a small stack might call a PFR with. Of course, I'm hoping he has AQ or AJ ... but it was JQ. I wasn't too upset about losing this one, but I thought I'd include it (since I was going through the big hands).

(4) Needless to say, villain turns over a flush ... and I'm wondering how I can give him credit for a hand that I can beat that he might call with ... 9T? A9? 67? Anyway, as I said before ... wasn't happy about this.

(5) Yeah, I folded this on the river (I guess the FTR converter gave that away by showing no one went to showdown). I have a nagging doubt that I'm just being played at by the same hand; the villain was pretty good, in spite of the PF stats.

Anyway, once again, thanks guys!