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Old 06-25-2007, 09:02 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

I'm pretty sure I should have just shoved the first time it came to me to have some amount of FE. My reasoning behind calling though was that it didn't seem like a situation where I would get everyone to fold, so I wanted to see if I could cheaply pay for my draw before risking everything.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1490)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t1450)
MP3 (t2300)
CO (t1140)
Button (t1610)
Hero (t1690)
BB (t990)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t30, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t30, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets t30</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to t120</font>, MP1 calls t120, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, Hero calls t120, <font color="red">BB raises to t960 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, MP1 calls t840, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1660 (All-in)</font>
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:31 PM
DerrtySlime DerrtySlime is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

well after BB bets, 3 bets all in to 960 and gets MP1 to call 840 more, this is a clear fold. i think you're against a set, 2 pair made straight her elike always from BB. MP1 may just have a flush draw( which takes away 2 of your outs) but he could have something better than 2 pair here a lot as well.

the thing is your getting MP1 to fold never but the trick is figuring out what his range is because this could be a great situation if he has something like Qc10c but a disaster if he has a set, 2 pair, straight.
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Old 06-25-2007, 10:17 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

IMO its never a horrible because of how much money is in the pot especially after MP1 calls. I also think your ranges are too tight, those hands may be likely but definitley not all you will see.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:24 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

I would probably fold the first time on the flop (but yes, 3.5:1 is tempting) and definitly fold to the push.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:25 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

To be clear : you will probably have 10+ easiest way to make chips during this SnG.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

and definitly fold to the push.

Courtesy of SNGW?? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Folding to the shove is pretty bad. I don't mind gambling with the nut flush draw here so I would probably just shove in the 1st time. Clear clear call the 2nd time given the overlay.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

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and definitly fold to the push.

Courtesy of SNGW?? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Folding to the shove is pretty bad. I don't mind gambling with the nut flush draw here so I would probably just shove in the 1st time. Clear clear call the 2nd time given the overlay.

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Thats pretty much exactly what I think about it.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

i think i just shove first time, like everyone else
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:43 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

shove and shove
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 15/30, AJs flush draw on a low flop

I donīt understand this gambling in the early levels...
Donīt like go busto on 15/30.
Is this a leak?
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