2/4 NL vs 1/2 NL

DaCooler · #1 06-25-2007, 06:37 PM

Ive literally tried to move up 3 str8 times now and got completely crushed in 2/4 NL. I really have no idea what my problem is as i really do not think they play much better than 1/2.

Ive ran at about 7-9 ptBB at 1/2 for more than 6 months and have had a few different times in there where i have tried to move up and gotten killed everyone.

I run at about 22/14/2.5. am i to tight for 2/4? the latest swing was -4k today in 1200 hands... are you fking kidding me? Im beginning to think im destined to be at 1/2NL for the rest of my life.

Any advice possible from any of you regulars?

or just berate if you would like..

Slap My Jack · #2 06-25-2007, 06:46 PM

Post more hands.

DaCooler · #3 06-25-2007, 06:47 PM

ill post the asskickings from today and see if it helps

pokeriseasy · #4 06-25-2007, 06:52 PM

I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

DaCooler · #5 06-25-2007, 06:54 PM

mind you some of these are definately tilt related...

******* Hand 1 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1023.95
CO: $409.65
Button: $247.40
Hero: $820.60
BB: $777.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $16, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($52, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $42, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($136, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $100, Hero raises to $350, UTG raises all-in $965.95, Hero calls all-in $412.6.
Uncalled bets: $203.35 returned to UTG.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1661.2, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1661.2)

Results:
Final pot: $1661.2
Hero Shows 6d 6s
UTG Shows 7d 7c

******* Hand 2 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $709.89
UTG+1: $441.50
CO: $400.30
Hero: $531.30
SB: $1114.85
BB: $245.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $16, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $28, CO calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($94, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $77, CO raises to $177, Hero raises to $486, CO calls all-in $179.3.
Uncalled bets: $129.7 returned to Hero.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($806.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $806.6)

Results:
Final pot: $806.6

******* Hand 3 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200.40
UTG+1: $394
CO: $1004
Button: $514.80
SB: $203.40
Hero: $800

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $36, UTG+1 raises to $100, Hero raises all-in $788, UTG calls all-in $152.4, UTG+1 calls all-in $282.
Uncalled bets: $406 returned to Hero.

Turn: : ($796.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $603.2, Sidepot 1: $387.2)

River: : ($796.8, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $603.2, Sidepot 1: $387.2)

Results:
Final pot: $796.8

******* Hand 4 ********

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1817.75
UTG+1: $466.10
CO: $598.65
Button: $171.80
Hero: $774.80
BB: $971.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $48, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $116, Hero raises to $772, UTG+1 calls all-in $350.1.
Uncalled bets: $421.9 returned to Hero.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($704.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $704.2)

Results:
Final pot: $704.2

******* Hand 5 ********

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG+1: $466.1
UTG: $365.19
CO: $577.90
Button: $412.40
Hero: $588.60
BB: $318.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to $16, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $116, Hero raises all-in $572.6, BB calls all-in $186.5.
Uncalled bets: $270.1 returned to Hero.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($637, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $637)

Results:
Final pot: $637

******* Hand 6 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $262
UTG+1: $926.30
CO: $305.85
Hero: $788
SB: $208.90
BB: $230.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($28, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $52, Hero raises to $744, SB calls all-in $144.9.
Uncalled bets: $547.1 returned to Hero.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($421.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421.8)

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($421.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $421.8)

Results:
Final pot: $421.8

******* Hand 7 ********

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $208.9
BB: $230.8
UTG: $800
Button: $828.70
Hero: $802
BB: $307.20

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $16, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($84, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $60, Hero raises to $120, UTG raises to $240, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $120 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $324

******* Hand 8 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $549.30
UTG+1: $420.40
Hero: $524.20
Button: $119
SB: $142.60
BB: $360.19

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, Button calls, SB raises to $48, BB folds, Hero raises all-in $524.2, Button folds, SB calls all-in $94.6.
Uncalled bets: $381.6 returned to Hero.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($32, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $301.2)

Results:
Final pot: $32

******* Hand 9 ********

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $453.70
UTG+1: $499.15
CO: $307.80
Hero: $817.10
SB: $779.60
BB: $1837.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $16, SB calls, BB calls, CO folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($52, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $38, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($128, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $88, SB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($304, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $304

******* Hand 10 ********

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $205.40
Hero: $800
CO: $88.70
Button: $394
SB: $1006
BB: $536.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to $20, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($66, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $44, CO raises all-in $68.7, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($203.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $203.4)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($203.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $203.4)

Results:
Final pot: $203.4

DaCooler · #6 06-25-2007, 06:58 PM

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

Josh. · #7 06-25-2007, 07:03 PM

7 is the only one that doesn't look completely standard to me. i'm assuming this is what you meant when you said some hands are tilt-induced. i'm sure you understand now that it's terrible

Josh. · #8 06-25-2007, 07:04 PM

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

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there is a pretty simple solution to this

DaCooler · #9 06-25-2007, 07:05 PM

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7 is the only one that doesn't look completely standard to me. i'm assuming this is what you meant when you said some hands are tilt-induced. i'm sure you understand now that it's terrible

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ya im not sure WTF i was doing there at all, is the turn a bet/fold?

DaCooler · #10 06-25-2007, 07:06 PM

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I had the same problems, but then somebody suggested coaching and I did and I've been beating 2/4 for about 2 months now. From your stats it seems like you call too much preflop instead of folding or 3betting. It also looks like you aren't aggressive enough post flop, 2.5 is pretty passive for a reg. Most of the good 2/4 regs have aggressions at around 4 and higher.

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I know my preflop AF is to low, i have trouble with 3 betting there because literally i get called and floated 90 percent of the time and i havent been able to get big pairs enough to make them pay..

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there is a pretty simple solution to this

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which is? just to 3 - bet more?