$11 - Folded JJ pf.

[kevkev60614]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t2405)
UTG+1 (t2520)
MP1 (t1235)
MP2 (t1825)
MP3 (t2005)
CO (t635)
Button (t1635)
Hero (t1140)
BB (t100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t200, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>

The math here is not straigtfoward. If I assume that my push would be called by ONLY the pf raiser, and if I fold the BB will fold pf and MP3 will fold post-flop, then I need to win ~49.2% of the time. Which gives the pf raiser a range of TT+, AJ+ as breakeven.

The math might've been a big waste of time because it doesn't account for the times everyone folds, or the times UTG+1 and MP3 both call.

I'm pulling the hand out of PT, so assume no meaningful reads.

Edit: It's not a minraise, and I'm retarded. Thank you, seke. I'm still not sure about the hand.

[seke2]

That's not a minraise unless the converter is wrong.

Why the hell did you fold this at an $11?

[meleader2]

i've noticed people bet like this for stupid reasons (aka in this case, trying to get BB to call...) even a 500t reraise to 700t would probably get em to dump it.

[kevkev60614]

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Why the hell did you fold this at an $11?

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I think I explained part of my reasoning in my detailed, mostly well-thought out post. Please elaborate as to why I shouldn't fold this at an $11.

[Todd]

I would tend to fold this in the 5s and 10s (which I play), for a couple reasons.

First it is early, and you have only 25 in the pot.
Second, if you call 175, you are OOP and any paint on the flop will cause real problems. That is an ugly place to be, and a good reason not to call.
Third, the only option other than folding would be pushing, (a smaller raise will pot commit you) and I would definately give that some thought. Maybe push 20% of the time here if I had seen either player let go of a hand to all in pressure. Unfortunately you may not have much FE, sicne they both have twice your stack. Maybe you could squeeze initial raiser, but more likely both will come along.

So I guess I would be a pussy and let go of the hand.

Todd

[seke2]

M'kay. First off, I think it's push/fold. I personally wouldn't call here, but I don't hate a call and push any mostly favorable flop.

Now, if you push, that's not a trivial call for either guy. Neither of them are particularly deep. They have to call of around half their stacks. But you know what sort of hands people raise with at the $11s. I can't find a fold here at all, I'd need a great read on these 2 villains. I think TT+/AJ+ is a WAY too tight range for the raiser. This is an $11. I'd say 22+, A8s+, KQ, KJ, and maybe some other stuff. For the guy who called the raise, I can't get him much tighter than that. And I think these guys call with a lot of hands you are way ahead of, like 66-TT, AJ, as well as hands you are flipping against like AK/AQ. They won't need QQ-AA to call your push.

You've got a sizeable pot, a hand that is probably the best on the table right now, and some fold equity on the push. I just don't see how you possibly found a fold here at an $11.

[ZingyDNA]

If it's a party 11 speed, I push JJ+/AK any time unless action go crazy(no, berserk,if that's the word) before me. Stars' structure might be slower but it's still a push for your situation. I may over-aggro but like i said I play party speed...

[Eagles]

Awful fold I think my options go as follows.
1. Push
2. Call and push any low card flop
3. Fold
Folding this is just terrible because without reads the average 11er is raising more than TT, AJ+. Even if your worried about qq-aa you really don't have enough info to fold now because you really need to put him one of those three hands to fold here.

[tigerite]

It isn't terrible at all.

[JasonRball]

Call and Push with favorable flop!

Definitely!