u telling me i miss a bet for value again on river:(.. probably:)

[Montrealcorp]

villain(button) vpip 66.7, PFr 25.0, aggro 2.3
low sample

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 :#A500AF(UTG+1)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 :#A500AF(UTG+1)/ calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.

i check raise wishing flush draw would of fold but might of been mistake since no flush draw would ever fold here,so i will say i raise for value...

River: (11.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

i only could think flush here or split pot and it hit...

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

donk the turn

bet the river ldo

[JerBear77]

Preflop fine.

Flop Fine here as you really don't mind if the hand is raised behind you because of your draw.

Turn is awful.....lead out on the turn as a myriad of hands are raising you here and you want them too, plus you have to "protect" your hand against the FD but its highly unlikely the FD is going anywhere, which is where the flaw in the thinking is on the CR. River is a bet/call for the reasons stated in the turn, many hands are calling your bet that you beat.

[Montrealcorp]

dont the turn why?c/r was mandatory here no since i was sure to get bet into?

[Fantam]

I know that you are asking about the river, but I would only have check called the flop. I doubt that you had the best hand on the flop against your 2 opponents.

Anyway, I think that I would have bet/folded the river.

[bozlax]

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dont the turn why?c/r was mandatory here no since i was sure to get bet into?

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1. You're SURE to get bet into? o rly?
2. If you c/r you face the trapped player with two cold on the turn. If he folds and the bettor calls you get 2bb into the pot on the turn. If you donk and both call, you get 2bb into the pot on the turn. otoh, if you bet the flop raiser might raise again with AK/AQ/KQ/etc and you make mbonies when the trapped player keeps calling because he's already put money into the pot on that street.
3. The river is awful.
4. Really bad.
5. ZOMG so bad.

[Buzz-cp]

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i only could think flush here or split pot and it hit...


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you are forfeiting lots of money when you narrow villain to such a range.

[marchron]

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Anyway, I think that I would have bet/folded the river.

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Check/calling is bad. Bet/folding is much, much worse.

[Fantam]

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Anyway, I think that I would have bet/folded the river.

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Check/calling is bad. Bet/folding is much, much worse.

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Really ? I would only have expected a flush draw to raise a river bet.

However, if you have seen players raise the river as a bluff (or with the one card straight) in this situation against 2 opponents, Thankyou for the warning.

[marchron]

Well, I won't deny that you could get owned by a flush, but the pot will be almost 15 BB by then, and the odds of someone getting stupid and thinking ME HAVE STRAIGHT ME RAISE is well better than what you'd need to call a raise.