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Old 06-24-2007, 12:06 PM
Montrealcorp Montrealcorp is offline
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Default preflop and turn play ok?

hi ,only call preflop because i knew was going to be multiway pot with good position and i wonder if i my turn play is good enough

villain(MP2) 14.6 vpip, 8.3 PFr, 2.0 aggro

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 :#A500AF(UT+2)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, UT+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, UT+2 folds, MP2 calls.

standart foe me

Turn: (6.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

tought about raising but since i have lot of outs to draw i chose to only call since he showed strengh anyway and he wouldnt fold i think?
board pair anywya so redraw to full house vs me might be possible..

River: (8.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP2 calls.

got scared he had TT but i thought if he has it so be it and i capped

Final Pot: 16.75 BB
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

It's not multiway enough. Suited Aces are in deep trouble against a preflop raise.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

u need what then 6 player?
i felt with position and 3 player for sure in the pot i was in a good fix here especially since usually at least a blind would of call on this making it 5?
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

You can never count on the blinds coming along. You're getting 6½-2 or 3¼-1 odds. If you're dominated by a bigger Ace, that's only just barely enough to call. The problem is if an Ace flops, you'll never win very much, since you must play cautiously, and you'll still usually lose.

Since you're still a little green here, let me give you advice: Don't coldcall ever. If it's not good enough to three-bet, dump it. It's only with significant experience that hands like this show any profit, if they ever do.
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

ty marchron for the : Don't coldcall ever. If it's not good enough to three-bet

i know this and if i cant reraise i usually fold but...i didnt cold call...

as for the blinds,u cant be serious on:You can never count on the blinds coming along

i mean at that limit more then 50% of time they call even with garbage...so imagine if they have a slight playable inferior hand...

i was like more then even money that at least a blins would of come along making the pot and the # of player bigger no?

but anyway beside preflop i guess the other street are fine since no comments on those
ty for comments il think more about it anyway and try to includued in my tought process
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Old 06-24-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

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but anyway beside preflop i guess the other street are fine since no comments on those


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I think the most interesting street in this hand was the flop.

Originally, I thought that I would have preferred to just call MP2's flop bet, as the pot was offering you sufficient odds to possibly improve to the best hand, if you were behind.

However, your raising was probably better.

Thats because it was possible that MP2 could have been betting something like a flush draw, and so raising to try and drive out your other 2 opponents, would have improved your chances of winning a biggish pot in this situation.
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

PF: Never cold call w Axs. You're so far behind and flushes don't come in often enough to make up for it.

Flop: Eh, why raise mid pair here? MP2 donking means T every day of the week so you're behind already. You have 5 outs to 2P or trips and a BDFD worth 1.5. Hearts wont make you happy so this amounts to maybe 5.5 outs. You get just enough to peel one.
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

i think i need to reread cold call raise..
i mean some raise and another call in front of me...so if i call i still cold call o0???

i raise to see 4th street cheaply and didnt work
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

the cold call is ugly. i like to think there isnt a place for this in poker. i think u need to come over the top or fold. but in this case i think we need to fold.

cap on the river is disgusting i think its just spewing money. he probably has a boat and u are drawin nearly dead on the turn
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: preflop and turn play ok?

lol the river cap is fine, it's the rest of the hand that isn't good
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