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Old 06-24-2007, 12:05 PM
Rainclouds Rainclouds is offline
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Default Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

Villain is a monkey 56/16/1.4

My thoughts:
I pretty much screwed this hand up. My flop raise size forced me in a difficult decision. I'm 90% sure I'm beat, and while I'm getting 3 to 1 with $53 behind, I'm crushed by sets, 2 pairs and AK anyway. A draw is unlikely with the dry board and I don't see someone do this on a weak ace - even this monkey. Are my thoughts correct?

Given how I played it, do you still call the turn or fold?

EverestPoker Game #1713664705: Table Dili-22 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:34:54 - 2007/06/24
Seat 1: Trashcona ($121.00)
Seat 2: Oudste ($87.20)
Seat 3: VILLAIN ($150.05)
Seat 4: k1max ($133.75)
Seat 5: QUATTROUNO ($24.80)
Seat 6: HERO ($97.30)
VILLAIN posts the small blind of $0.50
k1max posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HassleDaHoff[Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
QUATTROUNO calls $1.00
HERO raises to $4.00
Trashcona folds
Oudste folds
VILLAIN calls $3.50
k1max folds
QUATTROUNO calls $3.00

*** FLOP *** [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
VILLAIN bets $13.00
QUATTROUNO folds
HERO raises to $40.00
VILLAIN calls $27.00

*** TURN *** [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
VILLAIN bets $106.05 and is all-in
HERO .... ?
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

is the flop raise standard? What is its purpose? I liek to flat call such donks in this spot
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:12 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

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is the flop raise standard? What is its purpose? I liek to flat call such donks in this spot

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He's loose-passive so I wanted a call from a weaker ace, so I could get it in myself on the turn hoping he calls me there again. But now he shoves himself, which is a strong line and indicates I'm beat.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

He seems pretty agreesive to me by his stats. It looks like he is the type of player who you just want to keep betting at you.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

Raising the flop and folding the turn is just about the worst thing you can possibly do.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

monotome flop like that, I really don't see the point of raising. Unless you want him to fold hands that you beat and calling with hands that crush you. You can go get a lot more value on turn-river against that type of foe.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

Okay, thanks so far. I agree my flop raise was bad.
But as played, do you still call the turn?
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

i call the flop.

i would fold. his line looks like he thinks you have AK/AQ type hand and will make a call on the turn. there are no draws, and his AF is fairly low. fold, you are beat, and even 3:1 does not compensate imo.
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

Going on your original thought that he is going to call a flop raise with a weaker ace I would now call the turn. He may be reasoning that he is now pot committed so he may as well bet the rest of the chips.
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Good hand, good pot odds - but what do I beat here?

you have to call the turn, raise more preflop
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