Valueraise onRiver?

Teja500 · #1 06-23-2007, 04:17 PM

Villian is 47/4 over 700hands and passiv postflop and goes to showdown 37%. On the flop he also calls with no hand/no draw from time to time, when he calls the turn he usually has alittle something. Raise and fold to a 3bet(or even call) or just call?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

maniacut · #2 06-23-2007, 04:22 PM

against a passive villain i would just call here. I don't want to get owned by better hands and a lot of the time he has a hand that can fold to a raise. I would raise if i had a specific read like gets aggressive with J high and shows down J high, but this guy is passive so i doubt that applies.

sharpie · #3 06-23-2007, 07:31 PM

I would raise. These guys usually check/raise the river with trips if they're stupid enough to sandbag until then. I'm calling a 3 bet because A2 and A7 has 3 pair.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #4 06-23-2007, 08:05 PM

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I would raise. These guys usually check/raise the river with trips if they're stupid enough to sandbag until then. I'm calling a 3 bet because A2 and A7 has 3 pair.

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I think if were calling a 3bet, we're better off not raising. To me this is a raise/fold or call decision. I have no way to prove what I just said, just some random thoughts.

Cobretti · #5 06-23-2007, 09:35 PM

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I would raise. These guys usually check/raise the river with trips if they're stupid enough to sandbag until then. I'm calling a 3 bet because A2 and A7 has 3 pair.

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This is insta-raise on the river and I would call a 3-bet. The chances of a 9 are slim and AK is slim. You can't let yourself see danger on the river that isn't there.

Oink · #6 06-23-2007, 11:06 PM

I dont raise/fold a lot. But this would be a spot IMO

MAxx · #7 06-23-2007, 11:15 PM

I would definitley raise. I think if he is as passive as he sounds.....I'd raise/fold.

(_8-(l) DOH! · #8 06-23-2007, 11:54 PM

agreed raise fold in this spot because it sounds like based on your read your no good here

TheHip41 · #9 06-24-2007, 01:40 AM

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I would raise. These guys usually check/raise the river with trips if they're stupid enough to sandbag until then. I'm calling a 3 bet because A2 and A7 has 3 pair.

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This is insta-raise on the river and I would call a 3-bet. The chances of a 9 are slim and AK is slim. You can't let yourself see danger on the river that isn't there.

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this guy isn't bet 3betting A5 on the river.

I usually call here, but in the right mood, I'll raise, if he 3bets, AQ is done like dinner.

sharpie · #10 06-24-2007, 01:45 AM

Is noone concerned about getting accidentally 3 bet by a worse hand? (A2, A7) How often do you think this happens?