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Old 06-22-2007, 04:23 PM
dlpnyc21 dlpnyc21 is offline
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Default 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

Villian in the hand is tkdcrew, a 28/22/3ish winning regular. I've seen him playing high stakes before so I assume he is a very strong player, and from my experience he plays very solidly in 6max games. This one was pretty interesting. I'm not really sure of his image of me...

I raise preflop, standard, he defends his blind (he defends with a wideish range, but I would expect him to 3-bet AK, and even AQ pre, although not 100% sure on the 2nd one. Flop comes out A high, he chk-calls my cbet. I really doubt he's reserve floating here so I put him on an ace or a draw. Turn complete the open ended straight, but flush misses. He donks out. Do people just fold this turn? Is he donking out a straight, two pair, or a club draw? Am I ahead of any made hands here or just draws??

I decide to call (not sure if this was good or not). Turn completes the backdoor, the straight is already on board, but I have trips. He bets a healthy size.

Is this an ez fold v. tkdcrew? What is your thought process when you call the turn, the clubs hit the river, and he STILL fires? Is his hand ever a value bet from a worse ace? Or is it always nuts/missed hearts?

Thank you,
dlpnyc21



Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5000
Hero: $7609
CO: $5791
Button: $11333
SB: $1200
BB: $7149

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $175</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($375, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $300</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($975, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $750</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2475, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1800</font>, Hero???
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

fold river. he knows what you have and he expects you to call.
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:30 PM
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

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fold river. he knows what you have and he expects you to call.

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what do you do on the turn and why?
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

this is fold or shove not fold or call. i like shove. especially if you tanked a little on the turn.
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

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this is fold or shove not fold or call. i like shove. especially if you tanked a little on the turn.

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atsiggigitly huublah!!!
you are giving villian insane credit if he folds enough hands for shoving to be better than calling to be better than folding.
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

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this is fold or shove not fold or call. i like shove. especially if you tanked a little on the turn.

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I'm a little puzzled, can you elaborate?

a shove is close to 100 BBs, so that's a substantial reraise.

With an allin raise hero is repping either a running flush or a good ace, and no one ever believes that you hit a running flush. So I don't think villain folds better very often, or calls worse.
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:28 AM
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

wtf shoving is horrible, just dump it imo
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Old 06-23-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 he chk/calls flop then donks out, but I river trips...

I feel as tho i wanna dump turn, because he's betting river 100% and without a clue on what he's donking the turn with, it's a guessing game, and i usually lose.
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