Floor!!!

[AwwInBaby]

so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game. Im playing every hand for fun and making it known im willing to gamble. I've played less than an orbit and got two outered once.

A euro donk who i was familiar with sits down, and i raise to 15 with J7o. He calls in the BB. Flop comes J 9 6. He bets 15, i go all in for 300. He is about to muck, but i tel him im gambling and want action etc etc. Finally he calls me with T9. The turn and river come Q K, rivering him a straight. We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight, and the dealer doesnt either, so she picks up his cards, they touch the muck, then she goes, oh wait, flips them back over, notices he has the straight and ships him the pot. I call floor, to no avail.

Am i wrong to flip out here?

[Mr Rick]

Yes. Cards speak and he tabled his hand.

[rubixxcube]

I'm on the fence here.
Here in lies the problem, he didn't muck the cards. you wrote "We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight".

Most places, "Cards Speak" the fact that he tabled the hand and the dealer mucked it(or almost mucked it) i feel that the pot is his. If he tabled his cards, then he HIMSELF through the cards in the muck then i feel the pot is yours. He does not have to technically announce his hand, he merely has to show it and the pot goes to the best hand.

The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have and he ALSO did not know he had a straight. If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

Unfortunately i don't think that not knowing you have the winning hand on a tabled hand loses the right to the pot.

Stupid on his part but its his pot.

[trixter23]

I agree with rubixx

[Quadstriker]

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We both table our hands

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You lose. Good day, sir.

Did you really think the floor was going to award the worst hand the pot after both hands were tabled?

[youtalkfunny]

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If he turned his hand over and said "I have a straight" but the dealer mucked his hand anyway would you make the same argument.

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There's no "if". This is exactly what happened. He turned up his cards and said, "I have a straight."

OK, he didn't say it, but THE CARDS SAID IT, which is the same thing.

Yes, the cards said it. The cards spoke. That's their job.

[NicksDad1970]

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game. Im playing every hand for fun and making it known im willing to gamble. I've played less than an orbit and got two outered once.

A euro donk who i was familiar with sits down, and i raise to 15 with J7o. He calls in the BB. Flop comes J 9 6. He bets 15, i go all in for 300. He is about to muck, but i tel him im gambling and want action etc etc. Finally he calls me with T9. The turn and river come Q K, rivering him a straight. We both table our hands, him not realizing he has teh straight, and the dealer doesnt either, so she picks up his cards, they touch the muck, then she goes, oh wait, flips them back over, notices he has the straight and ships him the pot. I call floor, to no avail.

Am i wrong to flip out here?

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Yes you're wrong and pretty crappy to even try it.

[Quadstriker]

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game.

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Might want to learn the rules in a smaller game first.

[pvn]

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The 2 things i think you are stuck on is that the dealer accidentally mucked his hand, when she should not have

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Doesn't matter.

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and he ALSO did not know he had a straight.

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Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter + doesn't matter = doesn't matter.

[pvn]

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so im playing at a casino in NY, 1/3 NL 300 MAX while waiting for room in a bigger game.

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Might want to learn the rules in a smaller game first.

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nh