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Old 06-22-2007, 02:04 PM
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Default NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
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UTG+1 is a 20/10/1.33 over 29 hands.

Stack sizes:
UTG: $7.35
UTG+1: $27.75
MP1: $18.65
MP2: $10.25
CO: $24.75
Button: $6.65
Hero: $26.05
BB: $14.25

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1.25, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.25</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $9</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $37.75

What's UTG+1's range when he raises the turn? Is this a set every time against a 20/10 or will he have a worse two pair or a big draw here enough to warrant calling down?
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:16 PM
AvH AvH is offline
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

This really doesn't have to be a set. (29 hands also aren't nearly enough hands for stats) AK, AQ or flush draw are possible. A6s or A5s are also possible. I would just push this on the turn.
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:28 PM
Javanewt Javanewt is offline
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

I think you played it fine. I don't think two pair, even top two, is strong enough for a turn push.
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:30 PM
Sun Wukong Sun Wukong is offline
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

IMO it's the raise on the turn that mkaes this more unlikely to be a TP hand. If villain wanted to build a pot with TP why not raise the flop?
FWIW I play the hand the same I'm just not sure if it's a leak. Two pair is something i still play poorly.
Would most of you fold to the turn raise or take this line?
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

I think folding to turn raise is weak-tight. Line is fine.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

After UTG+1 raises the turn I think at the very least his range includes:

AQ (8 ways)
55, 99 (3 ways each)
A9s, A5s (2 ways each)
A6s (1 way)
5c6c (1 way)
6d7d (1 way)
78s (4 ways)

I beat 13/25 combinations,
tie with 2/25 combinations
lose to 10/25 combinations

The more random flush draws you add to this range the better it looks so I'm thinking the call down is fine.

Thoughts on this range?
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Sun Wukong Sun Wukong is offline
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Default Re: NL25 FR: top two facing turn agression, call down or no?

I think AQ is unlikely unless he's a donk, if he's bad enough to raise AQ here his range is probably massive and calling down will almost always be +EV.
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