Stupid jacks! (200NL)

[Orsman]

One of my biggest leaks is playing JJ on a low flop.

No specific reads on villain.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1191977

What is your line on turn?

Is Villan "testing the water" or raising w/ flushdraw so many times that it makes a shove profitable in the long run?

What is your play w/ Jacks on low flops? how easy do you stack off?

[Suwalski]

Call flopraise and try to get a cheap SD, if facing to much heat, then i fold. Just don't stack off for 100bbs vs unknown with jacks.

[joeblack]

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HERO : Bet $18.00
Conducius: Raise $39.00
HERO : Raise $178.20

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I don't like your push over $39. I think you have two options here (with no reads/history).

Either

A) Call (which I think is bad because you are going to fold to any diamond, T, or overcard, etc.)

b) Re-raise the villian to $75. If he pushes then I can fold here. If he calls, check turn because you are most likely beat.

[kaah]

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b) Re-raise the villian to $75. If he pushes then I can fold here. If he calls, check turn because you are most likely beat.

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i like this but can never forcemyself to do it after i put in that amount [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[centgas]

My only worry with raise/folding is that they may push draws and we are throwing away money.... but its probably a good line. I have been tryin to control pots a lot more, something I think is important as the stakes increase. Problem is if we call, he will see it as weakness if we check the turn.

[ronmacdonald]

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My only worry with raise/folding is that they may push draws and we are throwing away money.... but its probably a good line. I have been tryin to control pots a lot more, something I think is important as the stakes increase. Problem is if we call, he will see it as weakness if we check the turn. [/q

with no reads call and check fold.i think its important to stop and go your monsters aswell to balance this out.

[elstunar]

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b) Re-raise the villian to $75. If he pushes then I can fold here. If he calls, check turn because you are most likely beat.

[/ QUOTE ] raising and then folding getting 4.3:1 seems wrong to me, he only has to have a flush draw a relatively small portion of the time to make a call correct, even tho we're probably beat.

[manlyman]

Pretty readbased. Against some players I call flop and stack off on this turn.

Since I know this villain and he is passive pre and postflop, likes to limp small pockets even first in on button and co. His handrange after his flopraise are basically sets.

[manlyman]

raise/folding flop is v.bad vs opponents who are capable of shoving combodraws/draws.

And the players that doesnt shove bigdraws probably wont raise wtih em in the first place.