KK vs cold caller river shove

FionnMac · #1 06-19-2007, 07:19 PM

Villain was 36/12/2 over a couple hundred hands, no other reads really.

Anyone shove turn? Thoughts on river? Sorry if this is standard/boring fwiw.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($785)
BB ($600)
UTG ($2305.07)
Hero ($871.75)
Button ($1005.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $75, 1 fold, SB calls $72, 1 fold, UTG calls $54.

Flop: ($231) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $155, SB calls $155, UTG folds.

Turn: ($541) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($541) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $555 (All-In), Hero?

ArturiusX · #2 06-19-2007, 07:33 PM

Shove turn. I think you have to call the river.

greg nice · #3 06-19-2007, 07:34 PM

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UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $75, 1 fold, SB calls $72

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ArturiusX · #4 06-19-2007, 07:38 PM

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UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $75, 1 fold, SB calls $72

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I disagree completely.

fitnessfreak · #5 06-19-2007, 07:40 PM

sick spot. this seems pretty close imo.

what do we put him on here? im thinking AA-QQ are pretty much it given the way the hand went down. JJ i guess is possible too but v unlikely for obvious reasons. does anyone ever factor in an overplayed AK or TT here?

i would probably shove the turn but im unsure if thats necessarily the best way to play this.

AAismyfriend · #6 06-19-2007, 07:50 PM

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Shove turn. I think you have to call the river.

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dmesey · #7 06-19-2007, 07:57 PM

I dont like the turn check one bit. If for some reason he has AK here he gets a free card, but looks like he has an overpair as well. Shove the turn!

dnh83 · #8 06-19-2007, 07:59 PM

I'd shove the turn but I think I'd fold the river. The only hand I see you beating is QQ. Everyone in the hand has more than 100 BBs, I could see the SB calling with a low PP thinking he has implied odds, maybe even A3s as well. Usually when 36/12/2 types make big all in bets in spots like this they're not bluffing.

aislephive · #9 06-19-2007, 08:01 PM

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I dont like the turn check one bit. If for some reason he has AK here he gets a free card, but looks like he has an overpair as well. Shove the turn!

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If for whatever reason I knew he had AK, I would definitely check the turn. DUCY?

This seems ok btw, I probably bet the turn more often than not. As played this is a pretty sick spot and could go either way. He has donkish stats so I would lean towards a call though.

FionnMac · #10 06-19-2007, 08:05 PM

As i soon as i checked the turn i regretted it, i just didn't want him to fold QQ/10-10, but i guess i guy with these stats never folds QQ anyway right? Since my hand is underrepped & 2:1 odds, maybe i gotta call river? Fwiw i do think his preflop range is alot bigger than AA-QQ.