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Old 06-18-2007, 12:53 PM
Brocktoon Brocktoon is offline
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Default Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

I don't know what I'm doing. Shed some light please.

HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (5.30 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (4.65 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (12.65 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

River - (12.65 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (15.65 BB)
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:25 PM
cgrohman cgrohman is offline
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

Raise 4th. Bet 6th.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:35 PM
PokerJans PokerJans is offline
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

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Raise 4th. Bet 6th.

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Yes on 4th we have a great two way hand and it seems like everyone wants to call so we should bulid the pt when we have the best equity

On 6th they check ot us, we have a low and I would say the other guy probably doesnt because he checked. So we have got the low side plus some fives are left, some aces are left, so we can maybe even scoop - we need to bet!

As played river is fine I guess
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:33 AM
Andy B Andy B is offline
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

I'd lean towards raising on fourth. With two Aces and two Fives gone, this is not a two-way hand, but it's a pretty strong one-way hand. You don't really want to lose T9, and your edge over A5 may not be that great, so calling is defensible.

Definitely raise fifth. Why on earth did you check sixth? It's possible that seat 2 made a better low, but wouldn't he have bet it? It's far more likely that he hasn't made a hand yet and/or sucks at poker. Even if he somehow has you beaten you've got outs. All you can do is call the river.

Get Ray Zee's book.
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Old 06-19-2007, 09:44 AM
Brocktoon Brocktoon is offline
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

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Why on earth did you check sixth?

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I checked 6th because I thought there was an excellent chance that Seat 2 had just made a 7 low and no one is folding anything with the pot this size in either direction.

At this point I'm looking to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. I cant force out mediocre high hands or better lows and my hand is not very strong at all.

I see the point that a 7 basically HAS to bet there since he currently has everyone board-locked for low in a big pot but so many players would check a 7 there at the limit that I think checking makes more sense here than it would at say 10/20.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

unfortunately, you are probably right about a made seven checking 6th. It happens all the time. These games are soooo incredibly passive.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Andy B Andy B is offline
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

Yes, some players would check a Seven there. Such players would also be in there with all kinds of garbage, so your smooth Eight is a nice favorite against his range. And if he does have a Seven, you can always suck out. Bet your damned hand already.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

Alright coach!

Hooowah!
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: Awesome on 4th, crappy on river...S/8

Raise 4th. Bet 6th. Check/call river without improving your low.
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