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Old 06-17-2007, 03:43 PM
KAT21 KAT21 is offline
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Default Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the flush?

This villain is nearly a complete calling station, but not quite. He will bet when he has something. Am I losing money not raising in this spot?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $49.50
BB: $51.20
UTG: $52.65
MP: $50.00
CO: $51.95
Hero (BTN): $86.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($3.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.00</font>,
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

i would just pay it off. not raising, but not folding either since the odds are so good.
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:26 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the flush?

One question here is how lightly Villain is going to pay off a raise. Another is how loosely he's calling preflop. If he's a very loose defender preflop, then I think the case for a raise is damaged, because 45 flush combos and 16 straight combos are possible. But if he's at least somewhat selective preflop, then the flush/straight combos go down, and we can figure there's a good chance what he has is a decent queen. (Or possibly he has something even worse, but that only matters, with regard to your river decision, if it's a worse hand he'll pay off with.)

At the table, I might just call, but I suspect raising is at least a little better (if Villain's calling station tendencies extend to the river, that is, and if he isn't super-loose preflop). The reason I might just call though is that I don't like folding a hand as good as trips much, and if you do raise, I think you should fold to a big 3-bet from this Villain.
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:31 PM
NSchandler NSchandler is offline
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

I think you have to raise this. Getting 3-bet would not be fun, but if he's a calling station he's probably not doing that too often anyway.
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Old 06-17-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

His stats were 88/11/1. Sorry for not including this in the original post.

It turned out like this.

Hero calls $2.00

Pot Size: $10.25 ($0.45 Rake)

BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-$5.00)
Hero had 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$4.80)
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

I call the river bet.

I do not raise. I don't think a worse hand will call your raise, but I do think villain might be betting a hand that you could beat, given how the hand played out.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

easy raise guys a donkey. respons to a 3b? call probably depends on tendencies of the donkey. Might be able to find a fold if he's passive. You have to raise this river though
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: Rivered trips but the flush hit. Raise or avoid paying off the fl

snap-call river
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