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Old 06-17-2007, 06:57 AM
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Default NL25 FR: 2 combo draw scenarios, help me count outs

HAND 1

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $36.40
UTG+1: $21.65
MP1: $29
MP2: $3.65
MP3: $15.50
CO: $11.20
Button: $4.05
SB: $36.10
BB: $36.35

SB is an 18.64/4.52 over 354 hands.
SB's overall AF is .89, turn AF is 4.25

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.5</font>, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $5</font>

This bet looks suspiciously like the Ace high flush draw that just turned a gutshot, how should I go about discounting outs here? How many outs do I have?

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HAND 2

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.85
UTG+1: $41.50
Hero: $25
MP2: $6.60
CO: $28.95
Button: $38.50
SB: $34.65
BB: $39.05

Button's stats are 11.57/3.81/.82 over about 700 hands

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.35, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($22.35, 2 players)

How many outs do I have here?



My reason for this post is that I'd like to be able to consider two options in these sorts of turn scenarios:
1) an all in semi-bluff and
2) a bet that lays me good odds

but just to reiterate, the focus of this post is counting outs. Thanks for the help.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:17 PM
IanB000 IanB000 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 FR: 2 combo draw scenarios, help me count outs

blunty31 sucks.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: NL25 FR: 2 combo draw scenarios, help me count outs

Cant say iagree with raising 75s UTG, but whatever works. Whats your image?

You'd have to think in hand 1 he would 3bet the flop if he had the Ace high flush. I think he has AQ and wants too get to the showdown cheaply enough so it trying to control the betting. If i had the Ace high FD i'd probaly bet about $7 on the the turn trying to get the pot as big as possible.

Hand 2:
With his stats i think your relying on two 6's and three 8's. With the re-raise on the flop i wouldnt be at all suprised too see AKh's. He seems a true FR nit so you have to think hes not re-raising you on the flop with complete air.
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Old 06-18-2007, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: NL25 FR: 2 combo draw scenarios, help me count outs

Ok to get this started I'm going to throw out a range for villain in HAND 1, let me know if it seems good/bad because I'm somewhat new to interpreting the stats.

An 18.64/4.52/.89 is calling a UTG raise from the small blind after one cold caller with:

AQ
22 - TT
Axs
suited broadways
45s+
46s+
K8s-K9s
Q8s-Q9s
J8s

Is this too loose for an 18.64 VPIP?

I'm assuming 4.5 PFR means hes still 3 betting AK and probably not 3 betting 99 and TT out of position..

Anyone think this range needs tweaking?
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