NL200 Different AA line

GrandMelon · #1 06-16-2007, 01:13 AM

villain is 22/6 no other reads. I wanted to make it look bluffy, am I losing value here?

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saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($130.10)
Hero ($331.10)
MP3 ($21)
CO ($234.85)
Button ($197)
SB ($183.20)
BB ($197)
UTG ($44.65)
UTG+1 ($208.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $20.

Flop: ($55) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($55) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $25, Hero raises to $305.1

RyanCMU · #2 06-16-2007, 02:08 AM

Ehhh..

Its not that I don't t think he wont look you up here sometimes with a worse 1pair hand, I just think that we can play this straightforward and still get a lot of out of him without having to get fancy...

Just don't see the need...

But it sure feels great when he calls with like 1010 or some trash [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

D.L.M. · #3 06-16-2007, 03:09 AM

This hand is terrible dude.

GrandMelon · #4 06-16-2007, 03:14 AM

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This hand is terrible dude.

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An explanation would be nice

coordi · #5 06-16-2007, 03:42 AM

I think all that calls here is better hands. The times worse hands call/fold doesnt add up against the times better hands call.

Jeff76 · #6 06-16-2007, 03:47 AM

I like this because I sometimes play AK like this. However, if this sucks that might suck too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

GrandMelon · #7 06-16-2007, 03:52 AM

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I think all that calls here is better hands. The times worse hands call/fold doesnt add up against the times better hands call.

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huh? Im ahead here like always.

Klompy · #8 06-16-2007, 04:00 AM

I think you might fold out some hands this way that might have normally stacked off the standard way of playing it.

solvine · #9 06-16-2007, 04:36 AM

I don't think u played it badly.Altough i do agree with Klompy, if you played it starightforward, you would be stacking off by the turn without raising. I think your line is good against better players who are able to lay down big pairs on rag flops. You r losing too much value from a weaker player, as they will stack off with JJ+, and the fact that he only raises 6% means he has a big pair utg and called ur reraise.

diebitter · #10 06-16-2007, 04:41 AM

that's pretty bad, big -EV. huge raises like this are for spots where you have a very solid hand (NOT AN OVERPAIR), and there's a good chance the villain has a solid hand you beat (or he can't lay down mediocre holdings like an overpai). It's basically this: do this when you think he either has a hand that can only be thse two things: he'll lay down to a smaller raise anyway if he's not hit, and there's a good chance he'll call any raise if he has hit (but it's still a hand you usually beat).

This plays out such that it indicates he's way ahead, or WAY more likely has a mediocre hand - a mediocre hand will often call a small raise here. The few times he's ahead (with say 88) will totally destroy you.

Here's an example - I had reads this guy just couldn't lay down big pairs. I'd seen him play a big pair to the felt on a 4-flush board a little while before. I knew he had AA-JJ,AK here.

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MP ($117.50)
CO ($98.20)
Button ($20)
Hero ($146.70)
BB ($118.55)
UTG ($130.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, BB calls $10.

Turn: ($36) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $128.7 (All-In), BB calls $100.55 (All-In).

River: ($265.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $265.25

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks 6s (straight, eight high).
BB has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $265.25.