6.50 TPTK fold?

hoyasaxa · #1 06-14-2007, 09:05 AM

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO (t1485)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1470)
BB (t1590)
UTG (t4500)
UTG+1 (t45)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1470)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t45 (All-In), 2 folds, CO calls t45, Button raises to t160, Hero calls t140, 1 fold, CO folds.

Flop: (t450) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets t160, Hero calls t160.

Turn: (t770) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets t1120 (All-In)

greggg230 · #2 06-14-2007, 09:24 AM

Why are you checking? I'd lead the flop or check-raise. QT is unlikely since he raised pre-flop, but anything is possible at these tables. More likely, he has AA, JJ, KJ, KQ, AJ, (QJ?,) QQ, or Ax of hearts; or, he might just have air like TT, AQ.

It's kind of a mess to figure out what he has if you just c/c. If you lead the flop and get raised, well, that's tough, but you might want to get your money in there anyway, though folding isn't terrible at this level. If you c/r and get RR AI, then I think it's a pretty safe fold.

I'd add his bet is really weak - 1/3rd of the pot? This guy is just asking for a C/R.

RexWoo · #3 06-14-2007, 09:29 AM

I bet the flop.
I like the check only if you plan to raise.

As played you have to fold

relativity_x · #4 06-14-2007, 09:33 AM

I never like the check/calling every street line, usually lose a lot of chips this way. As played, I fold.

I don't think you played this hand optimally. You have AK pre, so you can push over his 3-bet. Secondly, you hit the flop and check? You need to lead this flop to protect against straight/flush draws. Next, his bet is very weak on the flop. You could have pushed your chips in there.

Re-cap:
1) Push all-in preflop
2) Lead the flop for 300 (straight/flush draws)
3) C/R AI on the flop
4) Fold to all-in.

The only hands you are beating here are QQ/KQ. I don't he has them enough in this spot for a call.

greggg230 · #5 06-14-2007, 09:35 AM

Push all in pre-flop - a 9x re-raise - with AK at level 2?

relativity_x · #6 06-14-2007, 09:35 AM

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I'd add his bet is really weak - 1/3rd of the pot? This guy is just asking for a C/R.

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I think QQ bets 1/3rd enough here because they're scared, but you're right about 1/3 wanting a check raise. This is why you must bet flop. If he has QQ, your raise makes him fold. If he has a monster, he comes over the top of you and you lay it down.

greggg230 · #7 06-14-2007, 09:37 AM

I don't mean he was trying to bait for a C/R, I mean he was showing so much weakness that C/R'ing was obviously the right play after he bet.

But I agree that leading the flop is better, since it will give you almost the same amount of information and will cost less.

relativity_x · #8 06-14-2007, 09:44 AM

I said it's an option. The biggest two reasons to push all-in pre are 1)you have the co left to act and 2)you'll be OOP acting on the flop.

hoyasaxa · #9 06-14-2007, 09:49 AM

I didnt push because of the all in player. Does that not change anything?

relativity_x · #10 06-14-2007, 09:51 AM

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I didnt push because of the all in player. Does that not change anything?

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Is this also why you checked the flop?

he's all in for 45 chips. You're way ahead of his range. Also, with 8 people left, you don't care about trying to play "friendly" to knock someone out.