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Old 06-14-2007, 03:42 AM
markbris markbris is offline
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Default Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

4.40 buyin
No reads on anyone really that would help here, nobodys done anything real stupid.

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UTG+1 (t2630)
MP1 (t3937)
MP2 (t2615)
CO (t6618)
Button (t5540)
SB (t2670)
BB (t990)
Hero (t3795)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t200</font>, MP2 calls t200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:45 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

Button is saying he has something. Nobody has been out of line so fold on the basis that you're probably behind the hand ranges.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

If others aren't capable of reraising here then I would call as the pot is becoming big and your implied odds look good.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:08 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

Nope, def fold. you have to flop a set and don't have odds to.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:14 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

With 1350 in the pot already and a large amount of action quite likely postflop it is close depending on the limpreraising tendencies of the others.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

Deffo fold here. MP1 is still to act and will at least call or might even reraise again. Before you know it half your chips are at stake pre flop. If you do hang about you're unlikely to hit a set and probably behind to any flopped overcard. Always the danger of a higher PP out there too.

With 88 in early position with no reads I'll either raise(40%) or fold(60%)
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:12 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

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Nope, def fold. you have to flop a set and don't have odds to.

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This combined with the fact you're not closing the action so could get in trouble with a mediocre hand. Calling in the first place was reasonable but you're unnecessarily commiting yourself into a pot you've only committed $100 chips to. Let it go.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

I would mostly fold this because you are OOP. Otherwise, I may call, but only with reads. Without any reads, I would probably say you're looking at 2 overcards or a better pair, so I would wait for a beter spot. You know this will be difficult to play postflop if you don't hit your set, and the button will be VERY likely to put in a c-bet.
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

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With 88 in early position with no reads I'll either raise(40%) or fold(60%)

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raising here is real bad
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: Pretty Simple preflop question, can i call with 88?

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raising here is real bad

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Yes, unless you REALLY feel like gambling. I am guessing you are looking at:


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Hand 0: 35.641% 35.43% 00.21% 41258690 240508.00 { 8d8h }
Hand 1: 64.359% 64.15% 00.21% 74696966 240508.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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