med. overpair vs donk

wheelz · #1 06-12-2007, 04:51 PM

we played this hand during his second orbit:

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1,833.70
BB: $488.50
Hero (UTG): $689.50
MP: $51.50
CO: $102.51
BTN: $1,328.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero raises to $21.00, MP raises all-in to $51.50, 2 folds, SB calls $48.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $200.00, SB calls $148.50

Flop: ($457.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 All-In)
SB bets $490.00, Hero calls all-in for $489.50
Uncalled bet of $0.50 returned to SB

Turn: ($1436.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($1436.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $1,436.50 ($3.50 Rake)

MP had J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$51.50)
SB had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$689.50)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON (+$743.50)

now we're several orbits later, and he's played a lot of hands but i haven't noticed any other insanity or him reraising PF yet. i have his stats at 63/22/1.4 over 41 hands; i'm not sure they had even loaded on the table yet.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1,230.05
BB: $1,388.35
UTG: $470.50
Hero (MP): $1,219.00
CO: $600.00
BTN: $249.93

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $21.00, CO folds, BTN calls $21.00, SB folds, BB raises to $88.00, Hero calls $67.00, BTN calls $67.00

Flop: ($267) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets $225.00, Hero calls $225.00, BTN folds

Turn: ($717) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets all-in for $1,075.35,

RiverHebrew2 · #2 06-12-2007, 04:55 PM

dude his AF is 1.4 - even tho he's a lagtard idiot preflop, I still fold to his turn shove I'd say he has a bigger overpair than u on this board... I'd say QQ-AA 90% of the time a least

wheelz · #3 06-12-2007, 04:56 PM

ok let's pretend you don't have any stats on him cause i didn't at the time.

mike0292 · #4 06-12-2007, 05:07 PM

I call donks don't usually play their strong hands this fast

recallme · #5 06-12-2007, 05:10 PM

He doesn`t playAQ+like that so plz fold.

xSCWx · #6 06-12-2007, 05:43 PM

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dude his AF is 1.4 - even tho he's a lagtard idiot preflop, I still fold to his turn shove I'd say he has a bigger overpair than u on this board... I'd say QQ-AA 90% of the time a least

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I agree with this regardless of stats. He has to realize you are on a big PP here as well, and you aren't ahead of any of the likely ones.

Trix · #7 06-12-2007, 06:23 PM

If you call the flop, it´s to induce a turnbluff as he doesn´t seem like the kind of guy who is cabable of checking because you call him on the flop..

xSCWx · #8 06-12-2007, 06:30 PM

I find that at these stakes most players will c-bet if they were their last preflop bet was called and not raised. I call or give a fairly small raise because an overpair tends to go nuts on the turn or reraise right there on the flop, while hands you actually have beat tend to back off and check the turn.

Josh. · #9 06-12-2007, 09:14 PM

in my experience, guys like 60/20 do not 3-bet that light. when they do, it's usually a min-3bet. so you're probably dealign with a strong range to begin with. my big issue here is that i'm not sure he'd just value shove for near 2 buyins when the 8 pairs. bad players have irrational fears, and when the top card pairs i'm not sure he just jams the rest of his money in with AA. BUT from that other hand it looks like he's capable of going nuts with top pair+, so i'd give him credit and fold. even idiots get big hands and i'm pretty sure his range is strong to begin with.

then the other problem is that you stacked him recently and he's probably tilting and doesn't like you. so he might've 3-bet you light and he could definitely be bluffing. i'd still fold though because i have no sack. i think the determining factor is that he has more outs than you when behind, so i think that tips the scales slightly toward folding

Josh. · #10 06-12-2007, 09:15 PM

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dude his AF is 1.4 - even tho he's a lagtard idiot preflop, I still fold to his turn shove I'd say he has a bigger overpair than u on this board... I'd say QQ-AA 90% of the time a least

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I agree with this regardless of stats. He has to realize you are on a big PP here as well, and you aren't ahead of any of the likely ones.

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1.4 (aside being worthless because of sample size) is HUGE for a 60 vpip