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Old 02-21-2006, 11:58 AM
wmonfor wmonfor is offline
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Default Do I call this river?

Though it's been said many times, many ways, I have no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

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Old 02-21-2006, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

Nope.

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Old 02-21-2006, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

Too dangerous a flop. He may have called your raise with anything from TT-66 and possibly ATs-A8s. I would say that you should've folded to the raise on the turn.
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

No way hero can fold the turn w/nutflushdraw+gushot+overs. That being said, I cannot see any single reason to call the river unless you like paying to get a read on a player.

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Old 02-21-2006, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

You did call the river. I wouldn't have, but I'm not you. I probably don't bet that flop, either.

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Old 02-21-2006, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

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Too dangerous a flop. He may have called your raise with anything from TT-66 and possibly ATs-A8s. I would say that you should've folded to the raise on the turn.

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[censored] no. Pot is laying 7:1 and hero has a nut flush draw. Call the raise.

EDIT: I missed the gutshot and overcard outs too. Folding the turn is out of the question.
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

I can't see folding this turn. There's 7.75 BB in the pot at this point. I play this hand the same way up til the river, where I check fold. I just don't think you're good here often enough given no reads.
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

Nope
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:39 PM
PWHerman PWHerman is offline
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

I'd drop it to the river bet. You can only beat a bluff at this point.

Did he have 8's?
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:40 PM
uvorange uvorange is offline
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Default Re: Do I call this river?

Well, let's put it this way. I didn't coun't the overcards because of the straight possibility. You're right, to draw to the flush the outs are 9, and possibly the 8's, which according to the betting, I would only give a value of 2 to. that'll be 11 outs, or about 4.1 to 1. The pot on the turn was 4.75BB but, the Hero would've had to call the raise, in other words, 2BB to win 6.75BB. That's only 3.38 to 1. Obviously, the raiser was protecting his hand. If you stretched these bets into implied odds, it MAY have been a good call to the raise, but I don't believe the pot equity would've bakced this up.
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