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Old 06-10-2007, 06:29 PM
pwalsh21 pwalsh21 is offline
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Default 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $198.00</font>
BB: $198.15
UTG: $254.35
MP: $260.35
CO: $150.95
BTN: $87.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $8.00, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $33.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $25.00, CO folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($76) T 9 5 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $54.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $221.35</font>

Villain is 41/11/.9 over a small sample, I've been playing pretty tight. It's a drawy board, but I really don't like JJ here. What should I do/consider here?
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

getting almost 3 to 1 instacall.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

don't see how you can call this. you are beating almost nothing.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

expecting to beat what? yeah the pot odds look great but villain's range is owning us

edit: villain is passive, low pfr%, so i don't think he's drawing often enough to call this.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:39 PM
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an UTG raise, and a call of a 3 bet. I don't think he is pulling this crap with top pair here.. SET or overpair here almost always.

therefore...I would most likely fold
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

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expecting to beat what? yeah the pot odds look great but villain's range is owning us

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Well yeah, we're behind more than 50% of the time probably.
That said, we 3 bet donk, get decent flop, then he pushes all in over our flop bet. So obviously he doesn't have set. This type of sneaky donk doesnt do this with AA. So we're worried about the KK/QQ which are fairly likely. However, he can also have AT/A9/QJ/JT/87/AcKc/AcQc/AcJc. So if he has something like that 25% of time, and air 10%, the call is good.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - 3bet JJ, now stack off?

Best case he has a combodraw against which you are a flip. But i doubt he will have that very often here.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:49 PM
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expecting to beat what? yeah the pot odds look great but villain's range is owning us

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Well yeah, we're behind more than 50% of the time probably.
That said, we 3 bet donk, get decent flop, then he pushes all in over our flop bet. So obviously he doesn't have set. This type of sneaky donk doesnt do this with AA. So we're worried about the KK/QQ which are fairly likely. However, he can also have AT/A9/QJ/JT/87/AcKc/AcQc/AcJc. So if he has something like that 25% of time, and air 10%, the call is good.

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Any reason he doesn't have a set here. What would you do with a set on that board? Just flat call??
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:51 PM
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i'm not following why he can't have a set here. also, villain is passive so i could see the call of our pf rr w/QQ+.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:56 PM
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