NL50 KK facing flop shove

kmar1085 · #1 06-10-2007, 03:45 AM

Villian is 16.6/13.1/4.25/175...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($28.95)
MP3 ($27.50)
CO ($21.60)
Button ($58.05)
SB ($25.15)
Hero ($87.85)
UTG ($12.80)
UTG+1 ($52.45)
MP1 ($189.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.5, 2 folds, CO calls $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP1 calls $4.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($13.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10.5, MP1 raises to $183.1, Hero?

piebear · #2 06-10-2007, 06:37 AM

Whateve he's holding he's made a very wierd move. You're looking at one of four hands here - AA KK QQ or AQ.

Probably not QQ, so you're up against three possible hands. Two of which you beat/chop. I'd probably call.

donkmagic · #3 06-10-2007, 06:44 AM

terrible logic

piebear · #4 06-10-2007, 06:59 AM

why not offer your own?

kmar1085 · #5 06-10-2007, 07:10 AM

To me it seems that he has to have me beat most of the time here. Why shove so much? What hand can he put me on? He's gotta put me on a big pair here, I really doubt he would do this with AQ b/c it seems to me that he is a thinking player, given the stats. To me it seems like QQ (we're both deep so possibly 33,44 also), hoping to make me overcall with AA or KK. Or he shoved AA/KK and was trapping preflop by just calling the 3 bet. I think Best case scenario I see AK of clubs here. Does anyone else see this the way I do?? -EV calling??

thehempy · #6 06-10-2007, 07:35 AM

given his aggression and overbet on a board with possible draws I call this. And I expect to be ahead the vast majority of the time.

piebear · #7 06-10-2007, 07:40 AM

yeah A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is a big possibility

IQUITyestarday · #8 06-10-2007, 08:27 AM

He has mistaken you for jj or below, or robbing the blinds. He called with kq or aq. I call here everytime.

Balls deep if he flopped a set. I think he may even put you on ak at best and thinks you missed your flop.

Its an aggressive bet, he does not want a call.

PM me the results.

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Villian is 16.6/13.1/4.25/175...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($28.95)
MP3 ($27.50)
CO ($21.60)
Button ($58.05)
SB ($25.15)
Hero ($87.85)
UTG ($12.80)
UTG+1 ($52.45)
MP1 ($189.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.5, 2 folds, CO calls $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP1 calls $4.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($13.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10.5, MP1 raises to $183.1, Hero?

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King Spew · #9 06-10-2007, 10:36 AM

#1 You are behind on the flop. And he doesn't want a call,,,,
his worse fear is that he prices in your club or str8 draw if he raises too little. The only hand that you hold that worries him is QQ.... small part of your range., not inconsequential tho.

#2 We pegs you as WeakTight with QQ and HE has the club draw. You've got 176BB... some WTs will fold top set when they get deep..... some. NOT A VERY LIKELY SITUATION as I think this is fairly advanced for 50NL. This is MUCH more possible 50NL if he can place you on AA or KK.

A. I bet more on this flop. Almost mandatory unless you are going to c/f.

B. I fold the push here a little more than 100%. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

SABR42 · #10 06-10-2007, 10:53 AM

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#1 You are behind on the flop. And he doesn't want a call,,,,
his worse fear is that he prices in your club or str8 draw if he raises too little. The only hand that you hold that worries him is QQ.... small part of your range., not inconsequential tho.

#2 We pegs you as WeakTight with QQ and HE has the club draw. You've got 176BB... some WTs will fold top set when they get deep..... some. NOT A VERY LIKELY SITUATION as I think this is fairly advanced for 50NL. This is MUCH more possible 50NL if he can place you on AA or KK.

A. I bet more on this flop. Almost mandatory unless you are going to c/f.

B. I fold the push here a little more than 100%. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I think just about EVERYTHING you said is completely wrong.

1) Why are we behind? IF we are behind, you're saying he DOESN'T want us to call? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
2) Fold top set? Seriously, was your whole post a joke? BBV is the place for that you know.

EDIT: I looked up some of your other posts. Do you give horrible advice on purpose?