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06-09-2007, 05:01 AM
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25nl FR: KQo flops 2over cards
First off a brief introduction.
I'm Pajo and i'm addicted to poker. ok seriously, i'm Pajo and i'm making a transition from LHE to NLHE and this is my first post in the uNL forum. I have spent the past 2 days reading as many of the posts/threads from the 3 stickys at the top of the uNL forum and am awestruck at the amount of quality information available to a NLHE n00b. However it is a lot to take in initially so i plan to spend lots of time re reading this info. Now i'm sure there is a post somewhere similar to the hand i have a question about but i couldn't find it (the search engine came up with little of use to me). So apologies for the long winded intro to a single hand. I'll cut to the chase. Thanks in advance and apologies if i screwed up any of this post up. No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 10 players No reads i'm afraid as i have only played 2 orbits so far. Stack sizes: UTG: $19.65 UTG+1: $19.44 UTG+2: $12.55 MP1: $21.14 MP2: $15.30 Hero: $17.16 CO: $93.96 Button: $25.26 SB: $43.52 BB: $5.89 Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.75, 6 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4.75</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero ??? <font color="blue"> My thinking: Pot is offering me 3:1 to call, i think my 6 out overcards are all clean and am therefore a 6.7:1 dog. However, do my implied odds make this a call? I know its impossible to put an exact value on implied odds. Comments on preflop also welcome </font> 
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#2
06-09-2007, 05:10 AM
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Re: 25nl FR: KQo flops 2over cards
This is a pretty easy flop fold, I think. It's possible your outs are clean, sure, but I don't think you should assume that in a pot where 6 people saw the flop.
Also, if your outs are clean, there's a good chance the action is going to freeze up when you, as the PFR, catch on the turn. I suspect you're suffering from reverse-implied odds here as much as you're benefiting from implied odds, although I'll admit that it's hard to say for certain -- especially at a table that is as loose as this one appears to be. By the way, I don't think raising preflop accomplishes much in this hand. Your cards aren't really that good at a full table, cutting into the value of the raise, and also bumping it to just $0.75 after three limpers isn't going to thin the field much. So you're kind of just building a big pot with a hand that usually will either whiff or flop just TP2K or second-pair, top kicker or maybe a broadway gutshot or something. (I guess I'm saying that if I was going to make a pot-sweetening preflop raise like this one, I'd rather have cards with greater big-hand potential, like suited broadways or a pocket pair.)
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