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Old 06-08-2007, 08:51 AM
Parvex Parvex is offline
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Default 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t2890)
UTG+1 (t1750)
MP1 (t1710)
Hero (t1400)
MP3 (t1460)
CO (t1890)
Button (t880)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1540)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t70</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t50, MP1 calls t50.

Flop: (t220) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t360</font>, MP1 folds, Hero ???

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Old 06-08-2007, 08:57 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

Raise a bit more preflop after the limper. I like t100.

As played, you're ahead of BB quite a lot. Push and profit.

(If he did call preflop with 6, add him to your buddy list)
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:04 AM
ger664 ger664 is offline
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

Just to clarify Pre Flop raise. The standard is 3BB+1BB in the early levels. I was in error with my first post last night to your AK hand. At lower buyins you can maybe raise 4BB+1BB in the first level not to thin the field but for value, if they are going to call with garbadge at least get them them to make a bigger mistake.

I call this and proceed to try and get to showdown as cheap as possible. This re-raise could be a semi-bluff with 2 hearts, an overpair smaller then JJ's, 2x more often then it is 6x.
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:05 AM
The Bubbler The Bubbler is offline
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

Doesn't look good to get involved any further here, but I'm curious for other views on this. I'm wondering if you can credit the BB for just making a play since you obviously don't have a six and would be scared by this move.

Does everyone consider raising JJ standard here? I would limp with these blinds. (sorry for giving more questions than answers, this hand is very interesting indeed)
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:15 AM
Parvex Parvex is offline
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

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Does everyone consider raising JJ standard here? I would limp with these blinds. (sorry for giving more questions than answers, this hand is very interesting indeed)

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I personally like to mix it up here. Sometimes I might limp, sometimes I raise. If my position gets better (and there are not to many limpers in fron of me) I raise more, if i'm utg I limp more than I raise.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

I don't see any reason to EVER limp JJ in a 3.40
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: 3.40: JJ gets min-checkraised on paired board

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I don't see any reason to EVER limp JJ in a 3.40

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Not even in EP/SB/BB where people in MP/LP love calling pf raises with Ax/Kx and an Ace or King flops roughly 35-40% of the time?

I feel JJ can get me in more trouble than it's worth to raise it up. When I limp at those times, if overcards or a super drawy flop come I can release the hand with little loss. If I hit a set, it's well concealed against other's who might hit their Aces/Kings. If there's a baby flop, then I'm relatively sure I have the best hand and can price out draws/overcards. Also, a lot of the most likely straights out there are drawing to crippled odds (78/89/9T) because I'm holding 2 Jacks, but they don't know that, so I can manipulate the pot odds so it seems good to call on drawable boards, but in reality their odds to call aren't even close.

Early on in SNGs, I think in MP/LP raising JJ is alright, but seems like spew if you're raising with it every time you get it.
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