KJ hand against thecleaner11

intensity · #1 06-07-2007, 06:33 PM

Although this is a 1/2 hand, we both play MSNL so I thought i'd post it here. My notes on thecleaner11 is that he is a 2p2er and is Tag/lag. He is 26/22 over 200 hands and from what I've seen it's fairly accurate of his style. He is very capable of thinking on high levels. Anyways, here's the hand.

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Hero ($299.35)
BB ($257.60)
Button ($64.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($16) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $34, Hero raises to $72, BB raises to $249.6, Hero

jkkkk · #2 06-07-2007, 06:51 PM

uh fold, don't 3-bet if your going to fold to a 4-bet, teach me how to be tag/lag

intensity · #3 06-07-2007, 06:54 PM

sure it's simple. play tag for a while and when things are in the right place, play lag. alternate.

Teh1337zor · #4 06-07-2007, 06:55 PM

folddd

orange · #5 06-07-2007, 07:06 PM

i dont get your flop 3-bet. and after you do so, i cant see folding.

silenced · #6 06-07-2007, 07:16 PM

you rly botched this one. dont ever 3bet the flop here unless u have very very specific reads

wpr101 · #7 06-07-2007, 07:21 PM

I don't like the flop 3 bet at all. As played I want to fold... but the board is sooo dry, so I don't know.

orange · #8 06-07-2007, 07:34 PM

the thing is, with your 3-bet, you look really FOS (yeti). (who takes the 3-bet line with a monster? eh?) if he's thinking a little bit, he might realize this.

cts · #9 06-07-2007, 07:42 PM

I don't mind the 3-bet if you've got a crazy image, and obv you stack off.

intensity · #10 06-07-2007, 08:04 PM

so heres my thought process on this hand.

cleaner11 is very aggressive. i would hate calling the raise on the flop and folding to numerous scare cards. his small raise tells me he just wants me to fold my c-bet. my plan to was push on any turn if he called my 3-bet.

and then he pushed. i was thinking of all the hands he could push with here and could only come up with air or set and maybe a straight draw. i called at the end and results are meaningless i suppose.

i was just wondering if the 3-bet was alright, should i have raised more? do i just check/call down instead of 3betting here? cleaner11 loves to continue betting hard if i call the flop here and it's going to put me in a lot of uncomfortable situations.