huge pot with nuts... call or shove?

[ssdex]

Ok, Is it better to call here and try to get third villain to come in too, or just shove, b/c if hes going to call a coldcall hes going to call my shove.... right? I have really mixed feelings about this spot........ villain is a huge monkey.... ill post a hand proving this, and then post the hand being considered.........
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $91.30
BB: $15.30
UTG: $50.00
CO: $17.05
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $72.10</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, SB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($9.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $25.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $67.60</font>, SB calls $42.60

<font color="black">River:</font> ($144.70) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $144.70 ($144.70 Rake)

SB had 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-$72.10)
Hero had T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$72.10)

and then the hand at question

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $170.15
BB: $38.30
UTG: $73.70
MP: $49.50
CO: $28.40
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $152.30</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.00, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($6.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($6.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $4.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00, SB calls $4.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($18.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $16.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $67.70</font>
Hero..... calls or shoves?

[evazan]

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just shove, b/c if hes going to call a coldcall hes going to call my shove

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I agree with this. I can't think of any hand he is calling utg's raise with that hes not calling yours.

[Vivalution]

I shove here as well, he only has to call ~40% as often as he calls SB's push for it to be neutral ev.

[ssdex]

well i guess the argument for not shoving is that if I shove over the top it looks nutish, and if i just call, maybe he can still call with a set hoping to beat both villains........

[pkrplyrX]

I think a shove looks about the same strength as a call, since (1)you are calling two people and (2)a call seems to want action.

SHOVE IT IN! You have to ask yourself: "How often do I get the chance to sit in $50NL with $380?"

[ssdex]

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SHOVE IT IN! You have to ask yourself: "How often do I get the chance to sit in $50NL with $380?"

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2-3 times a week

[pkrplyrX]

WOW
I guess the next question is How many buy-ins do you dust off in a week to keep you from moving up to 100NL?

[jmgambler]

Is it me? or is that 1st hand history results screwed up?

anyway I see everyone says shove, I am actually tempted to call here if you shove you are making it about another $130 for Sb to call, he may only call you with Q8, I think your making it too easy for him to fold, he's hardly pot committed.........

[ajmargarine]

Raise turn. As played, shove river.

[ssdex]

i play nl100 and nl200 with some frequency, albeit less tables than nl50.... i could play 400nl if i could get access to my neteller $, but I don't think I am good enough to beat that game at this point in time.... also, I seem to run really bad at nl100 so i prefer to play nl200 over nl100, but i don't like playing super long sessions at much higher levels, so anytime im going to play a 12 hour session i just 8-12 table nl50 b/c i don't tilt as much when i get screwed in a big pot..... hence the reasons i get stacks up to 500 sometimes.... i dont play nearly as high variance as I used to, but my winrates are about the same, and seriously, if you need to make more than 50 an hour, you've got problems.