NL200: Can KK (overpair) anyhow be mucked on this one?

[ezdonkey]

No particular history with villain, although 10-20 hands ago this was played:

Seat 1: karvapilu ($199 in chips)
Seat 2: Fodrul ($229.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Alienii ($251.90 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmaxxx33 ($247.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($200.70 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Fodrul posts blind ($1), Alienii posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Tmaxxx33 folds, Hero bets $7, karvapilu folds, Fodrul calls $6, Alienii folds.

FLOP [board cards 5C,3C,5D ]
Fodrul checks, Hero bets $8.50, Fodrul calls $8.50.

TURN [board cards 5C,3C,5D,KS ]
Fodrul checks, Hero bets $19, Fodrul calls $19.

RIVER [board cards 5C,3C,5D,KS,JC ]
Fodrul checks, Hero checks.

SHOWDOWN
Fodrul shows [ QH,QD ]
Hero mucks cards [ 10S,AH ]
Fodrul wins $68.


But now the real hand:

Seat 1: karvapilu ($196 in chips)
Seat 2: Fodrul ($268.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Alienii ($254.65 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmaxxx33 ($242.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($197 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Fodrul posts blind ($1), Alienii posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Tmaxxx33 folds, Hero bets $7, karvapilu calls $7, Fodrul bets $20, Alienii folds, Hero calls $14, karvapilu calls $14.

Hero's notes: Standard open with a caller. Surprisingly repopped by tightish Villain. Although he just called with QQ earlier, I still give him credit for repopping with JJ+ and AK. He was maybe mixing his play. I thought about shoving, but decided just to call if I could've played this hand without having to 100% of my stack here.

FLOP [board cards QH,4S,6C ]
Fodrul bets $55, Hero calls $55, karvapilu folds.
Hero's notes: Wow. If he had AK this is very strong for a c-bet according there are 2 players left behind. With QQ I guess he knows this raise drives almost everyone out, so he can't put him on that one either. JJ is very likely scared of overpair. I play safe just calling here, deciding to play for rest of my stack if he wishes, but not minding checking it down if he wills. If he somehow had AQ this is reasonable play and he could. And if this was the first hand between us i'd be happily shoving here, but the QQ-hand above just freaked me off.

TURN [board cards QH,4S,6C,10S ]
Fodrul bets $121, Hero calls $121 and is all-in.
Hero's notes: Board didn't change and he still pushes. Now the question: Can I fold this here by any means? There's one hand for tie, six that we're beaten on and twelve longshots we're winning.

RIVER [board cards QH,4S,6C,10S,9S ]


SHOWDOWN
Fodrul shows [ AH,AD ]
Hero mucks cards [ KS,KD ]
Fodrul wins $414.


The queen on the flop seemed like the one and only 'escape' card given to me.

If it were to be a 9-high flop, I would've shoved with ease. We would've be leading a lot of overpairs (JJ/QQ) that would play accordingly.

Somehow I just couldn't find it in me to muck this one.

[Reef]

I dont respond to these hands bc lack of converter

[cakewalk]

you should of made the title

"can anyone decipher what is going on in this hand"

[TehVader]

My eyes hurt

[ezdonkey]

Since when did they remove the edit-option?

[MortenTA]

It's not removed but it disappears after a little while.

[eigenvalue]

Given the QQ hand of Fodrul earlier, this is an easy fold on the flop IMO. But I know lots of 2+2ers don't like that opinion.

[ezdonkey]

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It's not removed but it disappears after a little while.

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Say what? As if after 10 minutes, you can't edit it anymore?
Well here goes repost.

[ezdonkey]

No particular history with villain, although 10-20 hands ago this was played:


Seat 1: karvapilu ($199 in chips)
Seat 2: Fodrul ($229.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Alienii ($251.90 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmaxxx33 ($247.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($200.70 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Fodrul posts blind ($1), Alienii posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP

Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Tmaxxx33 folds, Hero bets $7, karvapilu folds, Fodrul calls $6, Alienii folds.

FLOP [board cards 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul checks, Hero bets $8.50, Fodrul calls $8.50.

TURN [board cards 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul checks, Hero bets $19, Fodrul calls $19.

RIVER [board cards 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul checks, Hero checks.

SHOWDOWN
Fodrul shows [ Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Hero mucks cards [ 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul wins $68.




But now the real hand:

Seat 1: karvapilu ($196 in chips)
Seat 2: Fodrul ($268.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Alienii ($254.65 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmaxxx33 ($242.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($197 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Fodrul posts blind ($1), Alienii posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP

Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Tmaxxx33 folds, Hero bets $7, karvapilu calls $7, Fodrul bets $20, Alienii folds, Hero calls $14, karvapilu calls $14.

Hero's notes: Standard open with a caller. Surprisingly repopped by tightish Villain. Although he just called with QQ earlier, I still give him credit for repopping with JJ+ and AK. He was maybe mixing his play. I thought about shoving, but decided just to call if I could've played this hand without having to commit 100% of my stack here.

FLOP [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul bets $55, Hero calls $55, karvapilu folds.
Hero's notes: Wow. If he had AK this is very strong for a c-bet according there are 2 players left behind. With QQ I guess he knows this raise drives almost everyone out, so he can't put him on that one either. JJ is very likely scared of overcard. I play safe just calling here, deciding to play for rest of my stack if he wishes, but not minding checking it down. If he somehow had AQ this is reasonable play IMO. And if this was the first hand between us i'd be happily shoving here, but the QQ-hand above just freaked me off.

TURN [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul bets $121, Hero calls $121 and is all-in.
Hero's notes: Board didn't change and he still pushes. Now the question: Can I fold this here by any means? There's one hand for tie, six that we're beaten on and twelve longshots we're winning. Calling depends pretty much how often he has AQ.

RIVER [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]


SHOWDOWN
Fodrul shows [ A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Hero mucks cards [ K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Fodrul wins $414.


The queen on the flop seemed like the one and only 'escape' card given to me.

If it were to be a 9-high flop, I would've shoved with ease. We would've be leading a lot of overpairs (JJ/QQ) that would play accordingly.

Somehow I just couldn't find it in me to muck this one.



Holla. If anyone knows hand converter that supports Ongame, I'd be happy to know. Pummeling those HH's manually is such a pain in the ass.

[Nemesis69]

Never fold kings, if you run to aces it's just bad luck