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Old 06-05-2007, 08:21 PM
Mr_Donktastic Mr_Donktastic is offline
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Default (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($353.30)
MP2 ($621.15)
MP3 ($422)
CO ($394)
Hero ($440.55)
SB ($301.50)
BB ($378)
UTG ($505)
UTG+1 ($234)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB calls $14, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $424.55</font>

By hands like this I mean pooshing overcards (I usually only do this with AK/AQ) hard on raggy non-threatening boards after your cbet gets raised. Doesn't have to be a poosh - could just be a big reraise...

So...sometimes? never? once in a blue moon? all the time?

Do you think its +ev, -ev, or about neutral and basically a variance booster?
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

-EV.

Hardly ever.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

BTW, would you play aces that way? Probably not I presume. So what hand are you representing here by playing this way?
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

The only time I would do this is??? Oh wait, never..
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

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-EV.

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Explain why plz...

Also note that he started with 75BBs, so if I rr I am getting AI anyway. So the stack size is critical here...
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

I never make plays like this against good players, becuase a good player would be observant and know that I probably wouldn't play a huge over pair like this and then they can deduce that I just dont have a set often enough either and my range then becomes either air or a mild overpair...So against good players, I think plays like this specifically are spewwy...

However, I often make plays like this against bad players, because they are going to fold way way way way more often...

So I think that against a bad player this type of play is good...

However, most people just say that to wait for a better spot, but, whatever...
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

It also depends on lot on the type of player specifically and whether or not the raise was a c/r or a not...

So to actually answer your question, I find myself making plays like this with over cards some of the time, and when I make a play like this its almost always against bad players (non thinking)...
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:03 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

I play lower stakes than this (NL50), and very rarely make plays like this. Mostly because players at these stakes will rarely fold to a play like this after they have raised you.

However, I have made this play a few times, and it typically comes when I have folded to raises on my continuation bet several times on the same table.

Not sure any of this is relevant given the vastly different stakes.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

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Explain why plz...

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You're fold-equity is small. Add this to the fact that your hand has very little chance of being the best one.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: (LC/Strat) How often do you make plays like this?

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Explain why plz...

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You're fold-equity is small. Add this to the fact that your hand has very little chance of being the best one.

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FE is SMALL?!?

What hands can call our big reraise?

Of all the hands villian can raise with what % of those hands fall into the subset that he can actually call with?

What exactly do you mean when you say our hand is rarely the 'best one'? What does 'best one' mean in this context? It's a semi-bluff remember...not a value shove.
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