Ace King - So i miss the flop again

22pajo · #1 06-03-2007, 04:31 AM

Limit: $2/$4
8 players

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 4 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero ????

I have been thinking about the all powerfull preflop hand commonly known as "Ace-King" recently.
Great hand preflop that often brings difficult post flop decisions.

In the above hand my usual line would be to raise for 2 reasons:
A - to try force out the button
B - i have good position on the flop donk bettor

But i have been 2nd guessing myself lately.

Given that AK on this flop is merely a draw to a medium strenght hand, namely top pair, is calling a bettor option?

Thoughts amigos?

tyler_cracker · #2 06-03-2007, 05:04 AM

just peel the flop. what is button going to fold that you want him to fold?

22pajo · #3 06-03-2007, 05:10 AM

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what is button going to fold that you want him to fold?

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A weakly played AK or KQ perhaps?
Does raising here not improve my winning chances and buy some outs?

tyler_cracker · #4 06-03-2007, 05:18 AM

KQ is way behind us (drawing to 3 outs), so we don't really need to worry about it.

we only buy outs with a raise if villain has AJ/KJ/A7/K7/A3/K3 *and* he will fold his hand for a raise *and* we spike an A or K.

without some sort of read, this is closer to a fold than a raise.

terencetsao · #5 06-03-2007, 05:40 AM

fold > call > raise i think....

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #6 06-03-2007, 05:48 AM

i probably raise

tyler_cracker · #7 06-03-2007, 05:51 AM

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i probably raise

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why?

00Snitch · #8 06-03-2007, 05:56 AM

ESKIMO! IM SICK OF YOUR SEEMINGLY RANDOM PYSCHO AGGRESSION!

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I don't know if I have evern raised AK UI on the flop. I think I should be wary of that.

That said, I don't think this is one of those times. If the pot was a bit bigger maybe.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #9 06-03-2007, 05:57 AM

"cause [censored] you dont bet in to me"

?

not good enough?

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #10 06-03-2007, 05:59 AM

ok seriously:

a) we are quite likely ahead of him, as his range includes flush draws, straight draws etc.
b) button folding is a good thing
c) metagame - so he doesnt bet in to us next time
d) we can buy a free card and almost certainly have at least a decent amount of equity to catch up