stackadonking a non-donk

[carnivalhobo]

so far i have this guy at 20/15/8 over 100 hands street by street is 10/inf/8.

board isnt great but i think i can get a call from A9ish hands here, what do you guys think? just lead again?

my image to him is 24/18/inf for the same 100 hands.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $119.55
UTG: $213.95
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $209.15</font>
CO: $269.90
BTN: $291.00

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $7.00, 3 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($17) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13.00</font>, CO calls $13.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($43) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $32.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $189.15</font>

[orange]

meh, whatever. i would expect him to raise the flop with any sort of super strong hand (ie. 2p/set).

[irunnotgood]

Good because of the flop texture. Most sets would want to put raise this draw heavy flop.

[delta k]

why would this ever be a good play here?

1. he doesn't fold better, I wouldn't think
2. he doesn't call with worse (and it's prob not even close)
3. if he's bluffing aren't we sort of 'rebluffing'?

[cowpig]

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why would this ever be a good play here?

1. he doesn't fold better, I wouldn't think
2. he doesn't call with worse (and it's prob not even close)
3. if he's bluffing aren't we sort of 'rebluffing'?

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1. right
2. wrong
3. wrong

imo

[delta k]

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why would this ever be a good play here?

1. he doesn't fold better, I wouldn't think
2. he doesn't call with worse (and it's prob not even close)
3. if he's bluffing aren't we sort of 'rebluffing'?

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1. right
2. wrong
3. wrong

imo

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you think a nit stacks off w/ TP here? WRONG, imo

[KeanuReaver]

i've had some very good players stack off with top pair on boards more dry than this vs me before
this type of play depends almost entirely on your image, i think i could get away with it every now and then but i think the typical 2p2 tag is spewing against a good player here

[Panthro]

I think we're shoving for protection mostly -- we have the best hand alot. 2pr+ almost always autoraises this flop, and while 67 got there, it's such a small part of his range.

[cs3]

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why would this ever be a good play here?

1. he doesn't fold better, I wouldn't think
2. he doesn't call with worse (and it's prob not even close)
3. if he's bluffing aren't we sort of 'rebluffing'?

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1. right
2. wrong
3. wrong

imo

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you think a nit stacks off w/ TP here? WRONG, imo

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i agree with delta on this one.

this is a pretty crappy board for stack-a-donk especially vs an above average player. he folds all his one pair hands except A9dd, and possibly TT (although i dont think this villain would get here as he did with TT). one of the draws just hit. and he shows up with 89 and sets more often than a lot people think... i see 21/16 types flat call flops and jam turn blanks with sets all the time vs other tags. he knows youre not a donk...

i much prefer bet/fold, and bet/call a certain smaller % of the time.

[delta k]

I am not really worried about him having a better hand here but I just don't think someone this tight is going to stack off w/ a worse hand often enough for this to make sense, unless it's more for protection that value.