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Old 05-29-2007, 07:09 PM
pwalsh21 pwalsh21 is offline
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Default 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $96.50
BB: $40.20
UTG: $52.45
CO: $49.25
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $60.40</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K K (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.75</font>, SB calls $6.50, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) Q T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($16) 7 (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $10.00</font>, Hero calls $10.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($36) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $35.00</font>, Hero folds

SB is 18/9/3 over 75 hands and seems pretty tight postflop. After his river bet, he typed "u can fold kk." This didn't really influence my decision, although it's probably less likely he's bluffing (I think). I didn't bet the flop because I assumed he absolutely has to have AA/QQ to call my 3bet. Is my line okay? Am I giving him too much credit preflop?
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:18 PM
Maneh Maneh is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

Dont bet this flop is MUCH weak;

Villain can easy call your 3bet with a small pp for set value, AK and maybe AQ

As played i dont know what to do now [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:18 PM
Quester Quester is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

If you assumed that his range is ONLY AA/QQ on the flop, then why call the turn bet?
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:21 PM
Angrymoog Angrymoog is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

You have to bet this flop, the hand plays much differently and you might get a chance to let it go when opponent makes a super strong play on the turn.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

Bet flop to figure out where you stand. Calling turn and folding river in this spot seems very bad to me.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:44 PM
pwalsh21 pwalsh21 is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

Here's the thing... if I bet the flop and assuming this is a somewhat reasonable player, I'm only getting called by hands that beat me. There's no way he has AQ/KQ here. Now by checking the flop I might induce a bluff from AK/JJ/random hand, which is why I called the turn. The river seems like a clear fold, though.

I know checking seems weak, but what is the reason for betting besides stopping a bluff? Maybe a LAG could have AQ/KQ/KJ, but I don't see any way this guy does.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:50 PM
Angrymoog Angrymoog is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

You bet because there are hands you are crushing which are likely to call. And you bet for protection, both of your hand now and future hands where you hold a bluff.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:56 PM
cuQa cuQa is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

as played I would call the river.

You showed no strength but preflop and he probably smelled a chance to win this.

I dont think that he really put you on KK .. that would absolutly not do any sense..

And I dont understand why you check the flop .. omg
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:59 PM
pwalsh21 pwalsh21 is offline
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

Considering I had been playing pretty tight, you really think an 18/9 would call $6.50 with AQ/KQ oop? Maybe you're right, but I just can't see it. I know 75 hands isn't a lot, but the guy obviously has some sort of clue how to play (preflop, at least), and he'd have to be an idiot to call with that weak of a hand oop. And those are the only hands I'm beating that I will get any value from by betting the flop. I agree with your point on protection, but not at 50nl. I don't think that comes into play until at least 100nl/200nl.
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: 50nl - 3bet KK, get cold called by sb

well, I just played a hand against a 20/15/2 guy and he raised from the BTN. I 3-betted him at the BB with the triple amount and our stacks were 100BB .. He called with 85s and called a 3/4 bet at a J83 board ..

I dont know but stats seem to not say anything at this limit


there ar ejust so much abd players out there that I would always stack off in that hand. another thing is that he coldcalled you with another guy to act behind I wouldnt give him the credit to do that with aces
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