in position against a good player 20/40 Diamond Lil's

[brick]

8-handed 20/40 must move game at Diamond Lil's which has been sometimes tight, sometimes loose, and at this point we're someplace in the middle.

UTG+1 raises,
He is a young asian (23yo?), quite (very), semi-pro named Sam who also plays at Commerce, Parkers, etc.

He mixes his game up well and is at his best 6-handed against a table of full-ring-nits.
He's gone into a quite mode for a round or so.

He views me as OK, but probably too tight PF and too prone to just call down post flop.

3-fold and I 3-bet AQo on the button. Bad player calls 3 in the SB. He's been on and off the phone and is just playing for fun.

Sam caps, I call, bad player calls.

Flop: 777
Sam checks, I bet, fish calls, Sam raises.

Turn: 5
Sam bets, I call, fish folds.



thoughts?
What range of hands would you put Sam on?
What does he put me on?

[cgrohman]

Fine. I hope you are planning to fold the river UI.

[goofball]

I think like 90% of his range is super strong, JJ+

[n.s.]

I actually think you can fold the turn here - I think you are usually drawing to 3 outs at most and you are often drawing dead. His play smells a lot like KK or AA - he flops such a strong hand that he figures he'll slow down and let someone else catch up (but when he can check-raise both of you, he wisely takes the opportunity to do so).

If he's a decent player, he knows that no one ever folds a boat here (even with 22), so I doubt he's try to buy this one.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

I think your flop bet is pretty bad and that you got pwned.

[brick]

no flop bet even though the pot is 3 way. Certainly I can see checking heads-up, but 3 way?

If my PF 3-bet is correct, and he has a wide range of hands preflop, but he knows I have a solid AQ+ hand, then wouldn't he be likely to just check-fold or maybe peel on such a dry board?

This is what I was thinking when I bet.

When he check-raises then.... I think pwned.

[n.s.]

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If my PF 3-bet is correct, and he has a wide range of hands preflop, but he knows I have a solid AQ+ hand

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He has a wide range when he opens for a raise, but he capped a 3-bet from a player he views as tight when it's only 3-handed, which narrows his range down a lot (at least this is the case for most decent players - I don't know this guy in particular).

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then wouldn't he be likely to just check-fold or maybe peel on such a dry board?

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A good player isn't capping pre-flop just so that he can check-fold on a board that appears to have helped no one.

[bugstud]

look, his flop check here is either good pair or AK. So check the flop, try to peel a Q and hope it's good.

[brick]

>A good player isn't capping pre-flop just so that he can check-fold on a board that appears to have helped no one.


yeah, i suppose if he is capping for the sake of capping, then he would usually continue this agression by betting the flop.

[n.s.]

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yeah, i suppose if he is capping for the sake of capping, then he would usually continue this agression by betting the flop.

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From your description I didn't think that this guy is the type to cap just for the hell of it. There are definitely some goofballs that will cap really light PF and then fold to a bet if they don't hit - if this guy is capable of doing that, then I like the flop bet a whole lot more.

But either way you are still dead when he check-raises.