I *have* to lay this down, right? Turn decision

[Hoop Addict]

8 players left at the FT of a $7 rebuy.

I have KK in MP & open raise to 20K (blinds 4K/8K, no ante - my stack is about 160K after putting the 20K in).

Folds to the BB who tends to play pretty loose passive & he makes the call.

Flop is AAQ rainbow.

BB checks it to me. As I say, he's been pretty passive post flop, despite his looseness pre-flop. I check as well (feel free to critique this).

Turn is another Q.

BB leads for 50K (I have him covered & he has about 50K left after this bet).

There's absolutely no way I'm ahead here, is there? Even at a low buy-in tourney. This opponent isn't particularly tricky or anything.

In fact, this is a super-standard fold on thr turn I think? Feel free to chime in your thoughts on the flop play.

[flavio321]

ft and made the money right? push flop, push turn and start praying. he's got an A far less than qx small pairs here.

[Hoop Addict]

FT & ITM, yes. ~170 runners, top 20 pay. I think at this point we're looking at something like $80-$90. 1st is paying ~$900.

[swede554]

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ft and made the money right? push flop, push turn and start praying.

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Come on what kind of advice is this? Sometimes making the money and FT causes you to play differently because of various reasons (opponents playing tighter/looser, etc.) but making reckless plays just because you're in the money is a horrible reason for your actions.

BTW pushing this flop is awful. Villain got 100k left, you cover and there's about 40k in the pot. If villain is passive postflop as you say I'd bet about 20-25k and if called I'd shut down and fold to any future aggression by villain. Turn fold seems fine, I can't imagine villain getting out of line here.

[BoerfSt]

Just like AAPlayer05 said, take a shot on the flop and shut down if he calls.
As played I dont take the risk and just fold.

[ZJ123]

yeah fold... Yucky Turn.

The Flop check is fine btw.

[Kyle Flynn]

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ft and made the money right? push flop, push turn and start praying.

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Come on what kind of advice is this? answer: horrible!!


BTW pushing this flop is awful. Villain got 100k left, you cover and there's about 40k in the pot. If villain is passive postflop as you say I'd bet about 20-25k and if called I'd shut down and fold to any future aggression by villain. Turn fold seems fine, I can't imagine villain getting out of line here. yay!! good advice!!

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[NogbadTheBad]

Yeah I'd stab the flop, then fold. You have to be more conservative when youre short on the final table right??
(According to harrington)

[Austiger]

My plan is to check the flop, call turn, fold river. This is how an ace might play it and if he's still betting you are beat. As played, the Q screwed you so folding turn is good. W/P IMO.

[BarryLyndon]

You are still reasonably deep after you your PF raise + any reasonable bet on the flop that folding this turn should be automatic.

Barry