QQ turn desicion

[recallme]

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $421.50
Button: $196.50
SB: $15
BB: $147

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $57</font>, Button calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($117, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $65</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($247, 2 players)

I think shoving will only be called by better hands, but is c/c really better?
We have gorgeous odds, but what do i beat when all money goes in? AK and JJ and nothinhg else.
Is this hand misplayed before?
Villain is 48/21/2.7

[Nick Royale]

I 4-bet a bit smaller preflop, to about 45-50.

Given preflop I think your flop bet is fine. Now just push the turn, he's getting great odds, almost 5:1. He's pot committed when he calls the flop and if you check you might give a fd a free card or an A/K comes on the river giving him a chance to fold a lower PP.

Easy turn push.

[recallme]

I think the 3 bet size OOP is ok

[wrschultz]

Preflop is fine I think... I would check the flop. I HATE chcking in spots like these, but you are deep enough that you really do have to worry about pot control. I would bet any turn except an A or K.

Once you get to the turn, check. If he bets, you should probably just fold a lot of the time..

[meow_meow]

There really isn't any decision on the turn is there?
He's got about $70 left, already 3.5 times that in the pot.
I would put him on KK, JJ, TT or AKh, maybe worse. If you don't put him in on the turn all you are doing is giving him the opportunity to get away on the river if he's drawing and misses or has an underpair to your Qs and an A, K or Q hits the river.

[Nick Royale]

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Preflop is fine I think... I would check the flop. I HATE chcking in spots like these, but you are deep enough that you really do have to worry about pot control. I would bet any turn except an A or K.

Once you get to the turn, check. If he bets, you should probably just fold a lot of the time..

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They're not deep, no need to get fancy. And why raise so much? A raise to 42 would be a psr, I like raising a bit more because we're oop.

[Fat Nicky]

easiest shove ever. other guy just has 1/3 of a pot sized bet left. the 4 bet w/qq is standard, especially against a 44/22 3-bettor. the board looks good, it's a 4-bet pot, just get it in...

[SilentNoise]

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I HATE chcking in spots like these, but you are deep enough that you really do have to worry about pot control.

[/ QUOTE ]

You realise the villain is only 100BB deep right? Also i dont check/call the turn because i dont think villain is just floating in a 4bet pot with air. if he has nutflush draw or smething you want him to payinstead of just check/folding the river. i just push the turn.

[wrschultz]

Whoopsie.. I obviously somehow thought they were deeper. Yeah get it in obviously.

[recallme]

Sry for this post, but i somehow thought we are raising 4 times his raise, or am i wrong?
Normal Villain raises to 8 we 3bet to 32, or so.