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Old 05-27-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3betti

villain is 22/14/9. He has been 3betting really light. Was it correct to shove ?

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MP ($29.25)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($66.50)</font>
SB ($39.45)
BB ($20.30)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($137.50)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $137.5</font>, Button calls $58.50 (All-In).
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3betti

Meh, I dont really like it unless you think he calls with TT/JJ/AQ hands. If he doesnt then youre letting him play perfectly and only get called when dominated or flipping with AK.
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

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Meh, I dont really like it unless you think he calls with TT/JJ/AQ hands. If he doesnt then youre letting him play perfectly and only get called when dominated or flipping with AK.

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Yea, I usualy agree with this. But this guy was really getting on my nerve with his constant 3betting. What is a good defense against this ? Call and shove flop if no overcards ?
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

Yeah personally I'd rather just smooth call it and c/r or c/c a lot of flops. It sucks when the flop comes Axx but an A and/or K only flops like 1/3 of the time so I think that this is the most +EV way to play it. Im not gonna lie and say Ive never shoved here with QQ but its dumb bc they never ever fold a better hand and rarely call with JJ. If hes overaggro Ill let him lead the whole whole way.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

Excellent post. An area I need to work on as well(playing in pots where youre being 3bet light and you call)
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

tks for the replies. Yeah, villain had AA. I think the better strategy is to call and check raise if no overcards fall on flop.
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

When villains start 3 betting me nonstop I start 4 betting once or twice and they calm right down. My 4 bets arent full pot though so I'm not giving myself odds to call there shoves. Also shoving is bad as it lets villain play perfectly and make few mistakes.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

this is +EV.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:59 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

Depends on your image, but if he has any respect for your play usually EV+.
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: QQ 3bet preflop against hyperaggressive Tag 22/14/9, very light 3b

If he is 3-betting light why do you give him a chance to play perfectly against you
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