25NL FR: Overpair Hands

[maybedinero]

I have recently started multi-tabling 25NL FR, trying to get back "into poker", and I'm after a bit of advice with regard to a couple of overpair hands. Both hands are from Full Tilt 25NL.

Hand 1:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($25)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($24.75)
UTG ($10.60)
UTG+1 ($47)
Hero ($34.30)
MP2 ($24.60)
MP3 ($29.20)
CO ($9.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.5</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2, SB calls $1.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($10.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, CO folds, SB folds, UTG calls $3.50, UTG+1 calls $3.50.

Turn: ($20.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $21</font>, Hero ?

Reads: UTG is Crazy: <font color="red"> 68.5/18.5/1.2</font>
UTG+1 is Loose semi-Passive: <font color="red"> 33.3/7.4/1.2</font>


Hand 2:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($10.30)
UTG ($29.70)
UTG+1 ($10.90)
MP1 ($6.30)
Hero ($43.90)
CO ($27.70)
Button ($22.25)
SB ($14.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2.25</font>, Hero calls $1.25.

Turn: ($6.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, Hero ?

Reads: UTG is Loose Aggressive, especially preflop: <font color="red"> 45/18/1.25 </font>

[Takethawaa]

Hand 1: fold.
Hand 2: I hate it when limp callers come alive like this. Even thought he's a lag preflop doesn't mean he is laggy postflop. I don't understand his flop bet at all. I would imagine he'd want to checkraise a set. He might be making a feeler bet and your raise is almost as weak as his flop lead. :/

Make it 2 to go on the flop to represent a stronger hand then you've so far repped. Tough situation on the turn because he may be reading into your weak turn bet, or he may be for real as a 4 bet flop and check/raise turn is very strong.

[jhill3535]

Hand 1:

I raise it up to about $4 preflop (to cut out implied odds), as played Pre then Bet about 3/4 pot on flop. $8 should be fine, and you should get plenty of information from this. I probably wouldn't fold to a push given reads.

Hand 2: I would raise a little more preflop (to about 1.25-1.50, you can't really cut out implied odds here, so you need to play it a little slower post flop). As played I would raise the flop to about 2.50 and re-evaluate if he pushes, I probably call (18 PFR's raise all pairs Preflop), it is unlikely he flopped a set, if you are beat he has 67 here. As the flop was played I would check behind on turn and call up to a Potsized bet on the river.

[MarcusT]

Hand 1: you must bet more on the flop. Bet around $10 and be happy with everybody folding. As played I call on the turn wishing UTG call too.

Hand 2: same mistake of hand 1, bet the pot on the flop. You are not considering throwing away your aces, are you? Just shove all in and hope for the best.

[mack848]

Can you explain the logic behind your bet sizes on these two flops?

Hand 1. You have to bet at least $7 here on the flop to deny anyone with broadway cards or a pair (5 outs) the implied odds to call. As played, I think you should now fold on the turn.

Hand 2. Flop bet is worse than Hand 1. You are offering UTG immediate 6.5:1 pot odds. Add in implied odds and he can profitable call you with any pair or any draw (including a gutshot). As played, I 4-bet the flop to around $10.