Name sites which offer low stakes NL HU cash-games

[LordMushroom2]

Are there any sites with HU cash-games lower than NL50 where the rake is beatable?

[hra146]

yeh, id love one too... just to get some practice.

havent found any though

[LordMushroom2]

Any sites which offer NL50 with a beatable rake?

I know of a couple of sites with NL50, but they have a 5% rake maxing out at $1, so I guess they would be harder to beat than NL100 on FTP.

[Sheetah]

Everest poker. As low as NL10 (or was it NL2, can't remember).
Beatable rake? Hmmm ... it's very fishy - guess it'll do.

[LordMushroom2]

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Everest poker. As low as NL10 (or was it NL2, can't remember).
Beatable rake? Hmmm ... it's very fishy - guess it'll do.

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I couldn´t check this as I can´t connect to their server for some reason. Anyway, the rake is 5% up to $1, and I don´t have rakeback, so I am not sure it is much easier to beat than NL100 on FTP with 27% rakeback.

[LordMushroom2]

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Everest poker. As low as NL10 (or was it NL2, can't remember).
Beatable rake? Hmmm ... it's very fishy - guess it'll do.

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I have been thinking some more on this and while the rake is bad it may be smart to start at NL10 on Everest to get used to big stacks before jumping to NL100 on FTP.

I am likely to start out being unprofitable in NLCASH when I start out, so it is probably best to do the initial learning at a low buy-in.

And if I can turn a profit on NL10, I can probably do it on NL100 on FTP too. Is that a fair statement, or am I wrong here?

I am very worried about the rake at NL10. Is it actually easier to beat NL100 on FTP than NL10?

[Sheetah]

Yes, their server is F`ed. As for rakeback - you have something similar: upon signing in every player gets $100 bonus even if you don`t deposit at all, which clears as you play - till you clear, you have a "rakeback".

Rake at NL10? To be honest it`s brutal. At times I was horrified how quickly money goes off of table, but the players there are soooo fishy that it`s worth it.

Practice? Then by all means play as low as possible till you get used to playing EVERY hand and accustom to new enviroment. HU CASH is the swingiest [censored] in the universe and you really want to risk as little as possible while learning.

NL100 vs NL10? LOL, I understand that FTP NL100 is fishy, but seriously do you notice the 10x difference. There`s a reason. Oh and if you`ve never played Everest HU cash, you haven`t seen what Euro fish really is [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. (FWIW I`m Euro)

[LordMushroom2]

I already have an account on Everest Poker (I haven´t made a first deposit, though) so I don´t think I am eligible for the $100 bonus.

Rake at NL10 on Everest:
Average raked pot = say 20 big blinds
Percentage of hands seeing a flop = say 67%
Hands per hour = say 180
20*0,67*180*0,05*0,5=60 big blinds per hour per player

Rake at NL100 on FTP:
Datamined big blinds in rake per hand per player = 0,076
Hands per hour = say 180
Rakeback = 27%
0,076*180*0,73=10 big blinds per hour per player

Extra edge needed on NL10 to counter high rake:
60-10=50 big blinds per hour or
(50*0,5)/1,8=13,9 PTBB/100

Without the Everest bonus this seems too high.

[Sheetah]

I started my poker career on Everest. Built my roll from their penny freeroll SNGs. When I started to play cash (even on microlimits) after every session there was a message informing me that n.n$ from my bonus was released and added to account. So, even without ever depositing I had $100 bonus which is something that every new player gets and it doesn't expire. I haven't played there for months though.

As for rake NL100 (FTP) vs NL10 (Everest) - there are three types of players (NL10 @ Everest):
1) full buyin solid players - very very rare, you won't find many
2) min buyin gamblers and at Everest the min buyin is 10BB (ex. $1 in NL10 game) = waste of time
3) full buyin fish - usually sitting with big stack (just busted someone)and waiting for another 'victim'. I can't count how many times this scenario happened: Fish sitting with like $23, I join; after 5 min stacks are even; after 5 min I stack him, he rebuys; after 10 min he has $2 left and finally leaves; I leave, put the money in the rathole, rinse, repeat.
Since Everest wasn't supported by PT I have no idea of my true BB/100. But I still remember making good money with ABC-ish game, nothing extraordinary really.

Once again I'll advise you: HU CASH is the swingiest of all forms of poker. Until you get some feel for the game, minimize risk and play lower. Once you acclimate and have confidence - play for 'real' money.

[LordMushroom2]

Ok, I will check with Everest if I still get the bonus. If I do, I will start at NL10. If I don´t I will start at NL100 on FTP (it looks like I won´t start playing NLCASH before I start playing $550 STTs so I will probably be profitable at NL100 right off the bat).