200NL top set drawy board

[mathemagician54]

no reads on villain, but he did stack off to me like 2 hands ago on a bluff when i had a set.

probablly standard, but i just want to check.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $152.55
UTG: $355.00
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $398.00</font>
BTN: $170.10

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7.00, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($18) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, SB calls $12.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($42) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $40.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $376.00</font>

[orange]

i like a larger flop bet. turn is okay, though with his bet size i would think that he has a straight/flush alot.

if he's taggy/inline, i wouldnt mind calling turn and calling river UI (shoving if i do).

[shpanko]

It sucks because like every draw hit (QT/spades) but he might very well do this with JT or AsJx etc. If there's no way that we fold here then I guess we have to shove because we aren't getting oddsto fill up. Orange's idea of calling two streets intrigues me and I'd like to here more about it.

[keikiwai]

i bet a min of $16 on the flop, but that's a pretty standard size for my cbets on average to drawy boards

i don't understand why we're pushing the turn? he often has a flush, sometimes a str8, and sometimes on or 2 pair.

out of these you may be able to fold a str8, 2p, and 1p

since he donked the turn, he will often have a flush and sometimes something wacky like a bluff, so i just call, and see what happens on the river... probably calling most bets ui, idk

[Redd]

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if he's taggy/inline, i wouldnt mind calling turn and calling river UI (shoving if i do).

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If we do call/call, isn't he going to put us AI when he's ahead anyways? Why not go just AI ourselves so get some losing parts of his range AI too?

[TheDivineRod]

Definatly bet larger on the flop, 16-18.

[mathemagician54]

i didnt see him playing like, QT, but i figure a flush was probable. on the other hand, if the river blanks i didnt really see myself getting away. at least that was my thinking... if anyone cold calls the turn and the river blanks, can you fold?

[KeanuReaver]

i really really prefer just calling the turn here and calling river UI. i like my chances vs his range but you're just not going to get him to call that many hands you have beat.

[notfreemoney]

most people have a hard time folding a straight here so by going all in we are really only folding out 2 pair and one pair which we crush anyways so why fold them out???

[jimmykingy]

that turn allin is pretty horrible imo, i def float this and reassess river.