9/18 Commerece

[ImWeakTight@UCLA]

What do people think is the avg bb per hr at Commerece 9/18. Also while many people claim that the weekends especially after dinner time 6 pmish? is the softest, I have always felt that the weekdays between 12-3 are the softest with the most lap players old people on retirement blowing there money. Also what do people think of the 10/20 limit game and above at commerece how much different is it then the 9/18.

[Sailboats]

10/20 at The Commerce? How long has it been since you played at The Commerce?

[sternroolz]

Judging by my results(several hundred hours in Commerce $9-18) plus the reliable results of others, and factoring in the new increased drop, I would think a win rate of $12-16/hr is most likely for a good player.

I disagree that days are best. Especially with the increased drop. Lots of 2-3 way pots are a guaranteed loser with that heavy a drop. What you really want are as many volume pots as possible....6 or more players seeing each flop, and the ability to push draws, and trap players for multiple bets. To do this, you need a loose table with many fish and a few lagtards.

The only one fleecing the old people of their money is Commerce itself.

The $20-40 is a different story. Its double the stakes of $9-18 and plays a bit bigger than that. Also, there is no jackpot drop. A $50/hr winrate at the $20-40 is not unreasonable for a good player and I'm guessing an expert player could average $50-70 an hour. The games vary so it helps to be able to play the kind of game that will win at $9-18, but also there are sometimes much tougher opponents and the ability to think on multiple levels starts to kick in on occasion. Also, sometimes the game is just tight and a good player can become more aggressive and take advantage of others playing incorrectly tight due to the relatively small drop(in comparison to $9-18).

To put it another way....At $9-18 you raise pf and are heads up with BB. So you raised to $18 and now there is your $18, the BB's $18, and the $3 small blind. So $39, minus the jackpot drop and the $4 house drop. So there is actually $34. You are not quite getting 2:1 on your money since you put in the $18. About a 47% return.

But at $20-40 in the same situation there is $40 plus BB $40 plus $10sb. So $90 minus the $4 house drop..so $86. You put in $40 so you are getting better than 2:1...a 53.5% return.

It may not seem like a lot, but its in every single hand you play. It adds up and tends to affect your shorthanded play a lot more than in large volume pots(where it starts to become an insignificant percentage of the pot).

So bottom line is that tight weak $9-18 games at Commerce are not necessarily a good thing.

[ImWeakTight@UCLA]

Your post was excellent. I seem to play expertly against the 70/10 being able to read them flawlessly and not so well against the lag tards. Isnt 70/10 and going to sd 80% of the time almost the ideal fish. 16$hr sounds awful though i must be running to good. Is there better places to play between 6/12 and 15/30. Also i always seem to find many decent 9/18 players during the weekend. What bank role would u think is appropriate for the 9/18 game.

[ImWeakTight@UCLA]

500 to 1000 bb or for live is that not as necessary

[Michael Davis]

Somewhere between 150 and 200 bets for the Commerce 9/18 should be fine but you probably need at least double that.

-Michael

[ImWeakTight@UCLA]

do u agree with the 12-16 hr rate? Also is 400nl the equivelent and a bigger possible win rate.

[siegfriedandroy]

why would anyone capable of making 20 an hour live forego making 5x that online?

[chillrob]

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why would anyone capable of making 20 an hour live forego making 5x that online?

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Why do you assume someone who could make $20/hour live could make that much online, or even turn a profit at all online? Games in CA are so much easier than online games it's like a completely different game. I don't even play limit HE online anymore because the games are so tight that I can barely make anything. Easy to make $20 an hour live in the 6/12 games I have played in CA though. From what I have heard about the 9/18 games at the Commerce my guess is the person estimating win rates above underestimated what a good player can make.

[sternroolz]

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Easy to make $20 an hour live in the 6/12 games I have played in CA though. From what I have heard about the 9/18 games at the Commerce my guess is the person estimating win rates above underestimated what a good player can make.

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I think you underestimate the impact of a $6 per hand house drop.

I do agree that if the Commerce $9-18 game was a rake w/ $4 max and no jackpot...like Vegas...that it would be easily beatable for $25-40 an hour.

To OP...there is an excellent $8-16 game at Hawaiian Gardens that costs $1 less per hand than Commerce. Really, it is comparable to what the Commerce $9-18 was a few years ago.