PL 5cd - Weak pat multiway, value bet?

Backstabr · #1 05-21-2007, 07:39 PM

2/4 PL on Stars

UTG limps, I pot with 98765, both blinds call. $72 pot

SB draws 2, BB draws 1, UTG, draws 1.

Checked to me, value bet or check behind?

SB and UTG are weak players (passive; loose predraw, tight postdraw; easy to read). BB is solid; better than me; we've played a fair number of hands together.

If I bet, I'm pretty comfortable folding to a UTG or SB raise. However, if BB reraises, this seems tough.

youtalkfunny · #2 05-22-2007, 12:52 AM

Maybe it's because I play limit and not PL, but I can't imagine ever folding this hand, unless I pick up The Tell of a Lifetime, which isn't going to happen on Stars.

List · #3 05-22-2007, 12:59 AM

If you get checked raised, you have to fold. Made draws and full houses are very often check raising you. It might be borderline, but I think checking is right. If limper was known to limp 2 pair a lot, and bb folded, I'd be more inclined to bet.

In pl5cd you are often faced with situations in which you can only beat a bluff, and in which no worse hands will call a bet. You need to figure out when these are, and adjust accordingly. If it makes you feel any better, I have seen good players fold pat hands to raises, and I've seen good players check behind pat hands in dangerous situations, but I've never seen a bad player do either.

Btw, who is bb in that hand?

Backstabr · #4 05-22-2007, 01:05 AM

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Btw, who is bb in that hand?

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Barbosyan.

He adjusted to my LAGiness and taught me the hard way that my post-draw bluff frequency was too high.

Backstabr · #5 05-22-2007, 01:09 AM

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If you get checked raised, you have to fold. Made draws and full houses are very often check raising you. It might be borderline, but I think checking is right. If limper was known to limp 2 pair a lot, and bb folded, I'd be more inclined to bet.

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If BB weren't in the hand, I'd bet with confidence.

2461Badugi · #6 05-22-2007, 01:10 AM

I would definitely check this behind. What makes you think anyone's going to pay off a value bet with a worse hand? You have the fifth-worst pat hand, so the only way they'd do it is if they think you're snowing, which would be pretty insane as the button in a four-way pot.

List · #7 05-22-2007, 01:37 AM

There's a good chance barbosyan has two pair here, he isn't paying off a bet either unless you're crazy. One of the best 2-3 players at 2/4.

stripsqueez · #8 05-22-2007, 03:46 AM

i like check unless you have reason to believe they are going to call - in limit i think its a bet - if this was a limit scenario i commonly find a bet/fold line with this hand because the thing that even the decent players dont have is variety so you can often be sure that a raise is a better hand

barbosyan is a good player - although i think too tight when he plays limit - i would be confident he has aces up this hand

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

List · #9 05-22-2007, 05:19 AM

He doesn't need aces up to call here predraw, and he might even reraise it in this scenario. I suppose that isn't really relevant to the thread.

XxPenguinxX · #10 05-22-2007, 08:06 AM

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Maybe it's because I play limit and not PL, but I can't imagine ever folding this hand, unless I pick up The Tell of a Lifetime, which isn't going to happen on Stars.

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Seeing this post and the remainder of the analysis has shown me conclusively that, as a limit player, I would be throwing money away if I started splashing around in PL.