NL100 flop OESD and get min c/r, 100+ BB deep?

[HBomb]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $121.55
BB: $107.45
UTG: $211.90
MP: $162.65
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $354.40</font>
BTN: $200.20

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">So far, in my first session at $100 NL in awhile, I keep losing with KK and AK's to guys 3 betting me with connectors and sc's, so I decided to give it my try as my aggression level rose with each beat I took...

Villian seems to be pretty straight forward tag and perhaps a regular, altho wondering if any reg's actually min raise.</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11.00</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $7.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($23.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $36.00</font>

Hero: ?????

Pot Size: $77.50

[AE6]

call with odds

[willw9]

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call with odds

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You think we are deep enough for this?

[matt85]

I like a shove here

1)Min raise looks donkish
2)You are certainly live
3)You represent massive strength all the way through and he can't put you on T9 with the RR PF.

I think you can also fold out a decent amount of his range that has you in pretty bad shape.

Pretty player dependant I think though tbh.

[BDaws]

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call with odds

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You think we are deep enough for this?

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I think we are. We are getting 4.3:1 effective odds with stacks of $115.50 in a $95.50 pot if we call. Even if we only count our 6 clean outs which don't give villain any sort of club redraw, we only need 6.5:1.

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I think you can also fold out a decent amount of his range that has you in pretty bad shape.

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I don't think he folds to a push with anything that he plays this way. Shoving gets alot of money in the pot in a situation in which we are in bad shape against an enormous portion of his range.

[HBomb]

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call with odds

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You think we are deep enough for this?

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I think we are. We are getting 4.3:1 effective odds with stacks of $115.50 in a $95.50 pot if we call. Even if we only count our 6 clean outs which don't give villain any sort of club redraw, we only need 6.5:1.

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I think you can also fold out a decent amount of his range that has you in pretty bad shape.

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I don't think he folds to a push with anything that he plays this way. Shoving gets alot of money in the pot in a situation in which we are in bad shape against an enormous portion of his range.

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Can someone tell me how you arrive at 4.3:1 effective odds and what you mean by we're getting 6.5:1 odds with 6 of my clean outs?

[BDaws]

Effective odds = The money in the pot divided by the money you have to call.
So there is 77.5 in the pot and you need to call 18. 77.5/18 = 4.3 to 1.

To figure out the odds we need for the next street we ignore implied odds and just figure out the odds of hitting our hand. There are 52 cards in the deck, minus 3 on the flop and 2 in our hand. I made the mistake of taking out our opponents cards when we have no knowledge of them so it's actually 47 cards in the deck and 6 help us.

(47-6) to 6, or 41 to 6, or 6.83 to 1.

[HBomb]

Ah, very well informing post. I thank you for your explanations [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], I don't think I want to find you at $100NL if I decide to move up for good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

By the way, are we allowed to post results in hand history section here?

[lotus guardian]

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Ah, very well informing post. I thank you for your explanations [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img], I don't think I want to find you at $100NL if I decide to move up for good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

By the way, are we allowed to post results in hand history section here?

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Yes, you can post results and you should definitely read theory of poker before moving up.

[HBomb]

Is that pic of Maradoni :P? I do have theory of poker, but I just tend to not put all them complicated theories to use because either my balls are too small, or I just sometimes think I will get better spots to get the money in being more of a favorite since I tend to multi table alot.